South Carolina OKs ban on gender affirming care.

[Shadow Wolf]

The APA absolutely drank the koolaid. What was the scientific breakthrough regarding gender that caused them to change their position in 2012?

They didn't really have a major or change then. The reworded some things and tweaked what they had for the DSM V.

 

[icehorse]

And how long ago was that? Has humanity learned absolutely nothing since you went to school -- you were the proud recipient of the final level of human discovery?

dodging my sincere, honest questions isn't a good look.

 

[libre]

But there's a reason why 2nd and 3rd world countries are cringing and laughing at us on this issue.

This is a very silly objection to LGBT issues.
Do you also think we ought to ban gay marriage and start up gay conversion therapy? Those are dominant perspectives in much of the 2nd and 3rd worlds.

 

[libre]

The sad reality is that trans healthcare is HEAVILY politicized, so it's important to zoom out to consider those aspects as well.

This is something you have repeated often and it's very silly, given that the bans you support are the actual politicization.

If you don't want politics in science, then you can't implement that with bans on healthcare from a party of religious zealots.

I don't recall discussing that point.

You said you tentatively approved of teachers outing trans kids to their parents. That's a really blatant disregard for their safety and the exact opposite of 'letting children come out at their own pace'.

 

[flowerpower]

This is a very silly objection to LGBT issues.
Do you also think we ought to ban gay marriage and start up gay conversion therapy? Those are dominant perspectives in much of the 2nd and 3rd worlds.

No, I don't think we should do those thing - answering your inflammatory question.

The LGBT community started out as something worthwhile, but even my gay friends are pretty disgusted and disillusioned by it with good reason.

This trans garbage is one of those reasons.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Trans activists don’t care about the body dysmorphia they’re causing in the numerous tomboys and effeminate males of the future.

Huh? And your research consists of .... what?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

They didn't really have a major or change then. The reworded some things and tweaked what they had for the DSM V.

Exactly. The way psychiatry has changed their approach to trans is not because of “science” but due to trans activism.

You don’t gain insight into the mind in a classroom or in conferences. Psychiatry will face their reckoning over this issue after the gender specialists.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good.

"Gender Affirming Care" is a disgusting and evil practice.

And it's on the uptick now.

I'm so glad that there is effective pushback against it in this form.

The people propagating and effectuating the concept need to be jailed for life.

Yes, and once people thought that lightning rods were an evil practice, because they tried to thwart God's will that your house should burn down.

Phhhttt!

 

[Secret Chief]

Still a hot potato in the UK. Good article here:

- What does the trans guidance for England’s schools say?

 

[icehorse]

This is something you have repeated often and it's very silly, given that the bans you support are the actual politicization.

As I said a few posts back, I think the GOP is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. And yes of course, I agree that this is politicization, but it's only own instance of many.

You said you tentatively approved of teachers outing trans kids to their parents. That's a really blatant disregard for their safety and the exact opposite of 'letting children come out at their own pace'.

The context is crucial here. I said that in the context of if that kid was headed towards drugs and surgeries.

The other side of this coin is that many teachers are also activists. They are spreading unapproved gender ideology - like the genderbread person - to young, impressionable kids who cannot possibly make informed decisions about gender identity.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The self is not downstream of brain activity, just like the self is not to be supplanted by gender identity.

The solution is to help people struggling with identity issues establish a relationship with their individuated self (IS). It is within the IS where healthier, more lasting forms of meaning can be found.

Wow! What a shallow view you have of humans. Would you agree, I wonder, that the ability to do legere de main (slight of hand) requires, at the very least, hands? Well, observe Mahdi Gilbert:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But there's a reason why 2nd and 3rd world countries are cringing and laughing at us on this issue.

Yes, such a great, wonderful, fantastic measuring stick of success! Countries that are often unstable, hate women and have high murder rates.

 

[icehorse]

Yes, and once people thought that lightning rods were an evil practice, because they tried to thwart God's will that your house should burn down.

Phhhttt!

You seem to be defending the same organization that supported the opioid crisis recently, and less recently ideas like thalidomide and electroshock therapies.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Huh? And your research consists of .... what?

Are trans activists affirming tomboys as females and effeminate boys as males just as much as they are currently affirming trans?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Wow! What a shallow view you have of humans. Would you agree, I wonder, that the ability to do legere de main (slight of hand) requires, at the very least, hands? Well, observe Mahdi Gilbert:

Meaning is the highest value and lasting meaning is to be valued over short term meaning. I believe these to be universal truths.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I'll ask you a similar question: Why do you think the LGBs fall into the same category as the T's?

Forgive me if this has been brought up, haven't read through the thread yet, but you have brought up that a percentage of gender-questioning youth grow up to identify as gay.

Also, many of the same stigmatizations are faced by both groups, often revolving specifically around gender. I know some people who still assume that anyone who dresses, talks, gets a hairstyle, or drives a certain car that doesn't fit the gender stereotype is gay, or that, if they are trans, they are gay.

It would make sense that where gender and sexuality have intersecting roles and relationships, and are subjected to the same social scrutiny, folks who don't follow the prescribed roles would band together.

 

[flowerpower]

Yes, such a great, wonderful, fantastic measuring stick of success! Countries that are often unstable, hate women and have high murder rates.

That's a crazy ****ed up thing to say.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Dominant current in medical field disagrees. The patients themselves also unilaterally disagree.

This level of polarization is very scary. I don't think that medical professionals should be punished based on your surface level understanding of trans healthcare.

There are people who are not interested in what the physicians and patients think -- only in what they themselves think. (I am willing to bet, when they become the patient and agree on a therapy with their physician, they would be quite annoyed to be told "no, the lawyers in the legislature and the priests won't let you do that!")

 

[Koldo]

AFAIK there are no perfect solutions. But I believe that talk therapy is - statistically - a far, far, far better solution than drugs and surgeries.

I have no idea why you are speaking as if people had to stick to one single procedure. I am in favor of talk therapy, as the first line of care. But if talk therapy doesn't work after some time, and particularly if the very own professional administering it sees it is not going to work properly, then further measures must be taken.

I am going to give you a personal example. I used to go to a psychologist many years ago, and among the many things we talked about I mentioned I felt upset because I still had acne past my teen years. He already knew me for many months when I brought this up. It wasn't anything severe, but it annoyed me quite a bunch. The literal first he said was: "Have you tried isotretinoin?". Simple as that, he figured that this was a much simpler and efficient solution than using up our time together trying to deal with that problem. And it was! That's what I did, and problem solved. Obviously he wasn't the one who prescribed the medication. I went to a dermatologist and he agreed isotretinoin was my best chance.

The point here is that we ought to let medical professionals evaluate the patients individually to determine what is the best treatment, rather than trying to fix everything with a broad brush.

Have you consumed the links I gave you? I believe meta-studies are referred to several times.

I saw no link to them, even though you mentioned them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Gender dysphoria or trans identity are both symptoms of underlying meaning deficit or meaning crisis: lack of belonging, existential angst, etc.

Lasting meaning can only be found through the individuated self, which can only be related to separate from gender, sexuality, race, etc. The short term meaning found in being celebrated in the trans community isn’t a solution, which is why fragility remains among those who transition.

Looking at brain scans does nothing for the meaning crisis besides cause more chaos and confusion.

OK, now I understand.
And thoroughly disagree.