Texas - Terrible abortion law doing what Republicans said it wouldn't do

[Orbit]

Nothing is going to change in this situation.

My post was hoping this situation concludes in the best way possible under the circumstances which is best in a medical facility with professionals.

Clearly in her case , there's nothing anyone can actually do or intervene to make it right.

Yes, there is a way to make it right. To listen to her doctors and stop attacking them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, there is a way to make it right. To listen to her doctors and stop attacking them.

It won't happen.

You know how it is when authorities make up their mind about something.

They are in charge and call the shots.

Not people like you and me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nothing is going to change in this situation.

My post was hoping this situation concludes in the best way possible under the circumstances which is best in a medical facility with professionals.

Clearly in her case , there's nothing anyone can actually do or intervene to make it right.

Making it right is ensuring this bull**** doesn't happen again.
The best possible conclusion is the state stays the **** out and enforces that medical treatment decisions are to be made strictly between patient and healthcare providers amd lets people make their own decisions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It won't happen.

You know how it is when authorities make up their mind about something.

They are in charge and call the shots.

Not people like you and me.

That's what they want you to think, because history shows they tend to lose their meal ticket, if not their heads, when the People do do something about it.

 

[Altfish]

Democrats endanger freedoms through heavy handed authoritarian regulations and mandates that force people to do things only their way.

EXAMPLE, please.
Not a general statement.

 

[Twilight Hue]

EXAMPLE, please.
Not a general statement.

You seen enough examples already.

 

[Altfish]

You seen enough examples already.

OK, You have none

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You seen enough examples already.

I know I've seen enough from you already, and don't expect to see any more but more of the same. You convince nobody. You don't make arguments, just partisan claims. You're grievance motivated. You've been taught that the people trying to make yours a better world are your enemies by those who see you as chattel to work their businesses for as little as they can get you to take, to send their candidates money, and to vote for them. Somebody wants to relieve your student debt or get better drug prices for you or better wages and working conditions or prosecute crimes against the Constitution, and that's your oppressive enemy. Somebody wants to restrict reproductive rights, let criminals walk, defend an authoritarian strongman, or ban books, and that's your champion.

 

[Revoltingest]

Last night the Texas Supreme Court issued a stay canceling the court order that would allow the abortion until they could hear the case. In the meantime, the woman is forced to carry a non-viable fetus while a bunch of old men with no medical training decide what to do.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/09/1218370770/texas-supreme-court-pauses-ruling-allowing-pregnant-woman-to-have-abortion

Let's not dis old men.
Even young men & women favor such
bad law, & lack medical knowledge.

A closer look at Republicans who favor legal abortion and Democrats who oppose it

How do Republicans who support legal abortion and Democrats who oppose it differ from their fellow partisans? One difference involves religion.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

I know I've seen enough from you already, and don't expect to see any more but more of the same. You convince nobody. You don't make arguments, just partisan claims. You're grievance motivated. You've been taught that the people trying to make yours a better world are your enemies by those who see you as chattel to work their businesses for as little as they can get you to take, to send their candidates money, and to vote for them. Somebody wants to relieve your student debt or get better drug prices for you or better wages and working conditions or prosecute crimes against the Constitution, and that's your oppressive enemy. Somebody wants to restrict reproductive rights, let criminals walk, defend an authoritarian strongman, or ban books, and that's your champion.

Nice propaganda.

Swallowed the fish I see.

 

[Twilight Hue]

OK, You have none

Only with you.

 

[Shaul]

Try turning off your own sex drive before you lecture anyone else about "choosing to whether have sex and how". That kind of ignorant, self-righteous attitude has always been the problem with men telling women what to do with their bodies.

There is NO way one can logically make the right of an unborn exceed the rights of the already born, except though sexist bigotry. And the Abrahamic religions are full of just that. Even as a man, I see right though that nonsense. I can't get pregnant, so....

Personal attacks do nothing to support your position. Nobody mentioned anything about Abrahamic religions. Kindly keep your religious bigotry out of the discussion.

You have it exactly inverted. It is a woman getting an abortion that is trying to exceed the rights of another. The right to life is superior to other human rights. A woman can exercise any right she chooses, including reproductive rights, unless it infringes on the very life of another person. That violates the innate and inviolate rights of another person.

 

[Shaul]

On what planet is carrying a dead fetus not a problem? Because that’s what is happening. Does she have to be on her deathbed before she can get an abortion?

You are arguing contrary to the facts in evidence and a hypothetical case. The baby inside her isn't dead.

 

[Shaul]

This case has nothing to do with having sex, and how. It ia about unreasonable laws that put pregnant women at risk if their pregnancies develop problems, as in this case. There are otehr lawsuits against Texas for these laws that imply doctors and hospitals cold be charged with felonies.

Unless it is the state of Texas, and laws cause the inadvertent deaths despite warnings.

This is not relevant to this case. And eyt no conern for the mothers with problematic pregnancies.

Every case of pregnancy involves having sex. The laws don't put women at risk, the pregnancies do. And the indications are that in this case the woman got pregnant by volition. She is free to have an abortion so long as she doesn't take the life of the baby in the process.

This lawsuit is about trying to legislate from the court bench. The Texas laws don't provide for abortions under the reasons she petition to the court. The judge knows this and the ruling is not supported by the law. The plaintive is free to petition a court with a valid case.

 

[Shaul]

But zealous people with no medical knowledge take it upon themselves to overrule the experts. Despicable human beings.

Like the judge in this case and some others posting here.

 

[Shaul]

I don't have to tell you that these people don't care about any of that. They don't care if the fetus dies (or is already dead) as long as it's not deliberately aborted. They don't care if the mother dies. They don't care if the mother survives and suffers a lengthy illness or becomes infertile. Yet they feign taking the moral high road, because they are doing what they think their god wants them to do to others. THAT'S what they care about. They want to be seen saying and doing these things by their god, who they also believe rewards and punishes accordingly.

No, they haven't. When the church could coerce or compel it, every maiden was expected to marry at puberty and could not refuse their husbands sex. There were rules against divorce, homosexuality, masturbation, and birth control (rhythm method and early withdrawal originally, oral contraceptives, IUDs, and abortions later), and no extramarital sex. And you can be sure that the church would love to have the power to force that on people again.

But even if we grant you that, so what? They chose to have sex and now have an unwanted pregnancy. Abortion is an acceptable solution for most, and it really doesn't matter at all who disagrees when abortion is safe, legal, and accessible.

Disagree. What's your position on Hamas and Israel? How do you feel about self-defense? If you accept killing there, then you've contradicted yourself.

Fetuses have no rights except those granted by the rest of us. Your heart may break for them, but that doesn't give them rights. Laws do such as the ones these Texans are attempting to impose and others are attempting to cast aside.

Most of Western society has entered or is entering its post-religious phase, and such people don't care about the values the religions teach when they contradict their own consciences. They reject religious homophobia, misogyny, and atheophobia. They reject hell theology. They reject religious anti-intellectualism and anti-scientism. The opinions of the religious don't matter in their lives.

And even the majority of Christian women reject Handmaid's Tales values and want the right to abortion.

What we're seeing in these states with stark abortion laws is an exodus of medical talent from them. It's the same thing that the Arabs suffered when they returned to religious fundamentalism and ceased being leaders in free thought, astronomy, and mathematics. It the same brain drain that Germany suffered before and after World War II. And now, many ob-gyns are simply unwilling to live and work in such places any longer. Texas really isn't a fit state to live in for a fertile woman if she can't get an abortion there OR elsewhere.

Everything and the kitchen sink in your rambling prose except for any discussion based on the merits of this specific case. This woman petitioned the court for an abortion under justifications not supported by law. The judge's decision is not based on legislated law. It is that simple.

 

[Shaul]

So, you want the government to make that decision for her, right?

She made the decision to get pregnant. She did that by her own free will. She made the decision to petition the court using a basis that was legally insufficient. The government isn't the problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nobody mentioned anything about Abrahamic religions.

Needn't mention the obvious.
The extreme anti-abortion view is
largely entirely a fundie Christian one.
Tis they who argue that their God knows
the fetus, which makes it the same as a person.

The SCOTUS justices who overturned Roe v
Wade were 5 Catholics & one Protestant
Christian. 3 of the Catholics were appointed
by Trump with the agenda of overturning it.

Texas....a hotbed of fundie Christians relative
to other states. Loss of abortion rights
correlates with this religious orientation.
Judaism, Islam, & atheism are all more
open to abortion rights.

So yeah...it's about religion.
A particular one.

 

[fantome profane]

She made the decision to get pregnant. She did that by her own free will. She made the decision to petition the court using a basis that was legally insufficient. The government isn't the problem.

What in your opinion was the problem? Do you think she made a mistake in trying to have another child with her husband? Does that decision make her guilty of something? Is there some reason she should suffer?

 

[Shaul]

Needn't mention the obvious.
The extreme anti-abortion view is
largely entirely a fundie Christian one.
Tis they who argue that their God knows
the fetus, which makes it the same as a person.

The SCOTUS justices who overturned Roe v
Wade were 5 Catholics & one Protestant
Christian. 3 of the Catholics were appointed
by Trump with the agenda of overturning it.

Texas....a hotbed of fundie Christians relative
to other states. Loss of abortion rights
correlates with this religious orientation.
Judaism, Islam, & atheism are all more
open to abortion rights.

So yeah...it's about religion.
A particular one.

Since I am not a Christian I am not responsible for Christian based issues. Why are you answering on behalf of @Honorable_Skeptic ?