The Biden Question

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What are your thoughts on Michelle Obama?

I have no thoughts on Michelle Obama. There's no point in even going there.

 

[Koldo]

I have no thoughts on Michelle Obama. There's no point in even going there.

I wish she had a change of mind.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I wish she had a change of mind.

Why? What are her policy positions? What experience of government can she claim?

But then -- maybe you're right. When Trump got elected, nobody had any idea about his policiy and experience. I guess they weren't bright enough to ask the damned question!

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't really understand why people talk of Michelle Obama as if she were a candidate.

Obama was easily my favorite POTUS since Carter, and probably ever.

But let his family have a break. They paid high enough a price for caring about that insane country.

 

[Koldo]

Why? What are her policy positions? What experience of government can she claim?

But then -- maybe you're right. When Trump got elected, nobody had any idea about his policiy and experience. I guess they weren't bright enough to ask the damned question!

Exactly, because... it doesn't matter as much as we would like it to. People are often elected due to what they seem to stand for.

 

[Koldo]

I don't really understand why people talk of Michelle Obama as if she were a candidate.

Obama was easily my favorite POTUS since Carter, and probably ever.

But let his family have a break. They paid high enough a price for caring about that insane country.

A recent poll showed Michelle Obama, and only her, winning against Trump without much of a problem.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Exactly, because... it doesn't matter as much as we would like it to. People are often elected due to what they seem to stand for.

Only in places where the electorate either doesn't care, or isn't interested in asking questions of those who seek to rule them.

 

[F1fan]

Can you paint a scenario in which, if Biden stood down, the Democrats could find, nominate and successfully sell another candidate in the 4 months left before the election?

Granted, the party has a process in place for how it could be done (finding a replacement). Under the existing rule, Democratic National Committee Chair Jamie Harrison would name a new nominee, in consultation with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., and Democratic Governors Association Chair Tim Walz of Minnesota. Their choice would be presented to DNC members — a group of party leaders much smaller and more elite than the delegates to the convention — for ratification or rejection.

And this group of elites would present their nominee to the committed delegates Biden has already won, and naturally they will all think, "Oh, how clever of our overlords -- how could we have been so stupid?" (Out of interest, Biden has won nearly 4,000 delegates, Trump 2,265.)

And then there's selling this new person -- with no record to run on -- as being so much better than Trump, who has at least served a term in the White House.

In my view, Biden's resignation would hand the election to the fascist. In a landslide.

A person on a podcast I listened today made the point that Democrats need to do what conservatives have done with Trump: offer complete support and stop the waffling and uncertainty.

I agree with many that Biden has problems, and should never have run. But the fact is he has decided to run, and he is committed. presidents aren't kings, they run an administration with a vp who will take over if something happens to the president. The elction is too much about personality and not enough about policy.

Democrats need to donate to Biden and then hit Trump with an avalanche of ads that expose his unfitness for office. A poll has revealed that only about 12% of voters have heard of the projct 25 agenda. That needs to be the central aim of the democrats, to show the voters the horrible agenda the MAGAs have for America if Trump is elected. I think if more understand the project 25 agenda they will support the Biden/Harris ticket just out of moral obligation.

 

[LuisDantas]

A recent poll showed Michelle Obama, and only her, winning against Trump without much of a problem.

Apparently. But it is not a very logical thing to happen.

 

[Pogo]

to save the American democracy, but my nation needs it preserved for our own good.

I think you are probably safe from invasion but I'm not convinced we are safe from self-immolation.
Have a care for your southern neighbors, if only as much as we seem to care about ours.

A recent poll showed Michelle Obama, and only her, winning against Trump without much of a problem.

 

[libre]

I'd rather live with a fascist then a marxist or communist if I had no choice in the matter.

This is quite concerning to me, because this is precisely how Fascism presents itself and how it's supporters see themselves.
Like that's very literally the same conspiracy theory that Germans and Italian civilians were sold to justify Fascism.

 

[Koldo]

Only in places where the electorate either doesn't care, or isn't interested in asking questions of those who seek to rule them.

Or when you have to pick between a few major parties (or candidates).

 

[Koldo]

Apparently. But it is not a very logical thing to happen.

Her winning or her being a candidate?

 

[LuisDantas]

Her winning or her being a candidate?

Her being so uniquely accepted as better than Trump.

Heck, even most Republicans would be better than Trump.

Michelle is incredible. But she is not a politician.

Then again, you are Brazilian. You know how people can fall prey to the promises of a "non-politician" who enters politics.

Even when they happen to have decades as low-clergy, very mediocre and uncivilized politicians...

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is quite concerning to me, because this is precisely how Fascism presents itself and how it's supporters see themselves.
Like that's very literally the same conspiracy theory that Germans and Italian civilians were sold to justify Fascism.

That's just not true.

 

[Koldo]

Her being so uniquely accepted as better than Trump.

That's trivial when one doesn't have a bad record or any record at all plus a good reputation.

Heck, even most Republicans would be better than Trump.

Michelle is incredible. But she is not a politician.

That's exactly her advantage.

Then again, you are Brazilian. You know how people can fall prey to the promises of a "non-politician" who enters politics.

And promises of politicians too.

 

[LuisDantas]

So, that is what I said. It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Koldo]

So, that is what I said. It makes no sense whatsoever.

It does make sense. It only doesn't make sense if you expected reality to work differently.

 

[LuisDantas]

It does make sense. It only doesn't make sense if you expected reality to work differently.

What would the sense be?

"I will trust people who claim to do not know what they are doing over those that do, and ignore obvious lies while at it"?

I am aware that some people take the idea that "the politicians are parasites" to ridiculous extremes of self-delusion. That explains Bolso to an extent. But irrationality is irrationality.

 

[Koldo]

What would the sense be?

"I will trust people who claim to do not know what they are doing over those that do, and ignore obvious lies while at it"?

I am aware that some people take the idea that "the politicians are parasites" to ridiculous extremes of self-delusion. That explains Bolso to an extent. But irrationality is irrationality.

Very little knowledge is actually necessary to be a good politician. The technical part can be left to the advisors and supporters. What actually matters is being representative of the electors' will.

Collor had 10 years of experience as a politician before being elected as the president, whereas Lula only had a couple, and I don't have tell you the outcome of each presidency.