Thanks. As things currently stands, you may well be right.
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The Biden Question
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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You may well be right. But so much has changed in over 50 years, including the forms, reach and even nature of media - and perhaps decisively, the nature of the voters' expectations and hopes - that I don't think past situations inform the current one very well.
What an odd way to think of it. Do you know how many Americans are travelling over the July 4 holiday? New records, everywhere. Apparently, in spite of the poor economy, more than ever before can afford to go visit friends, to national parks or wherever the heck they wanted.
At the beginning of 2019, when COVID first started, Trump wanted desperately to believe (in spite being told otherwise) that "it's just like the flu -- it'll go away in March and April." He didn't want to hear otherwise, and his whole handling of the pandemic resulted in more Americans dying per capita than almost every other developed nation. I'm pretty sure "life" wasn't so much better for those who died.
Most experts are quite divided on whether Americans were better off under Trump, or are better off now. Hourly workers, especially those in food service and hospitality, have seen significant wage gains to help offset inflation. But retirees and full-time caregivers have been unable to take advantage of a strong job market. Homeowners have seen their wealth grow amid soaring home prices. But prospective buyers have had to contend with rising rents and interest rates. White households have benefited the most from record stock prices compared to Black and Hispanic households, which have fewer investments in the stock market. You see, it all depends on where you sit.
So, for example, would you suspect that there are more homeowners out there, or more prospective home buyers? Since there are over 300 million Americans, and most of them live somewhere, I'd suspect the former. So they would seem to be better off today.
But consider something else: much of the inflation that we've seen is the result of government providing assistance to people during the pandemic. Where would those people be today had that assistance not been there? How many would have lost their homes, been bankrupted, lost their businesses or their life savings? Had Trump won another term, that inflation would still be there, because he would have had to provide the assistance Biden provided, or very close to it. Had he not, would the people lost their business and homes and life savings still think that life was better 4 years ago?
There is that, but the media delivers only what media consumers want to hear -- you know that just watching this forum, as our right-wing members wouldn't watch CSNBC if their lives depended on it, and our lefties would sooner starve their granny than watch Fox. Trump and Biden have gone through primaries for months, since the beginning of the year. People have gotten to know the platforms during that process. No new nominee now will have any such opportunity, and that's half a year of "getting to know you" time lost.
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True... but how many people do you know that are willing to vote for Biden that you expect to consider voting for Trump instead depending on the specific Democrat candidate?
I would guess that there are not too many.
Also true, but we must also consider those would would vote for Trump only reluctantly and the undecideds, and figure out where they might go, based on whichever candidate is chosen to replace Biden. I know of no calculator for that. It seems like a real crap shoot, to me.
There are those here who call me an alarmist, but I know who Trump is, I've suffered the type before, and I would be very loathe to gamble the nation on a crap shoot.
It is, not to put it mildly, a horrible situation, with no obvious path forward.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Inflation and interest rates have had a real negative effect on average Americans.
Trump Widens Lead After Biden’s Debate Debacle, Times/Siena Poll Finds
“Donald Trump is ahead of President Biden by six percentage points among likely voters in a new national survey. Overall, 74 percent of voters view Mr. Biden as too old for the job, an uptick since the debate.”NYT
Colt
Well-Known Member
Home interest rates have increased 100% which is basically a tax. The average cost of homes increased 20%
We Never Know
No Slack
Biden latest flub...it was during a radio interview.
"By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, the first Black woman to serve with a Black president, proud of the first Black woman in the Supreme Court," he said"
Joe Biden's gaffes during post-debate interview raise eyebrows
The president called himself a "Black woman" during a radio interview.
www.newsweek.com
I'm sure glad that you and I never misspeak.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
That's my belief too. Obviously Biden has some major issues, but he polls the best against Trump out of all the possible candidates, other than Michelle Obama, which seems unrealistic.
We Never Know
No Slack
We all misspeak from time to time. With Biden its recurring more often than it used to.
Buy yeah, just blame it all on a cold and misspeaks.
We Never Know
No Slack
IMO I think quite a few will look at it as Biden won't make another four years.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
misspeak is one thing, blatant misstatement is another.
Colt
Well-Known Member
People who see race in everything have a problem with race!Biden latest flub...it was during a radio interview.
"By the way, I'm proud to be, as I said, the first vice president, the first Black woman to serve with a Black president, proud of the first Black woman in the Supreme Court," he said"
Joe Biden's gaffes during post-debate interview raise eyebrows
The president called himself a "Black woman" during a radio interview.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We will find out if an unfortunate event eclipsing 9/11 ever happens.
If such a thing were to occur, I hope to God that will mean a decisive end to the Democrat party from ever ruling in this nation going foreword.
Are you forgetting Trump's gaffs? How about those sharks, eh?
With me as well. It's frustrating, but not so frustrating as it is to watch Trump get a pass because, rather than struggling to recall data points, he simply fabricates "facts" on the fly, knowing that his sycophantic base either won't notice or won't care or both.
We Never Know
No Slack
Really? Is that the best you got?Are you forgetting Trump's gaffs? How about those sharks, eh?
Trump was talking about a sinking ship and if there was a shark near by, then talked about recent shark attacks, then back to his sinking boat story.
He didn't say and there were sharks, mumble mumble mumble mumble and we beat medicare.