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The Biden Question

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Very little knowledge is actually necessary to be a good politician. The technical part can be left to the advisors and supporters. What actually matters is being representative of the electors' will.

I... don't think that I can agree. At all.

Any ignoramus can be elected, as we know all too well. But good politicians are something else entirely.

Good politicians have a very hard time being elected.

Collor had 10 years of experience as a politician before being elected as the president, whereas Lula only had a couple, and I don't have tell you the outcome of each presidency.

And yet Bolso had decades and still sells himself as an "outsider". Nuts.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I... don't think that I can agree. At all.

Any ignoramus can be elected, as we know all too well. But good politicians are something else entirely.

Good politicians have a very hard time being elected.

If good politicians are having a hard time being elected, they are not good politicians in the first place. Getting yourself elected is a basic requirement.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
This is quite concerning to me, because this is precisely how Fascism presents itself and how it's supporters see themselves.
Like that's very literally the same conspiracy theory that Germans and Italian civilians were sold to justify Fascism.
That communist regimes tend to be dystopian nightmares isn't a conspiracy.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The odd thing is that both men have videos of having mental issues, but it only applies to Biden.
And age issues. They're 78 and 82 years old, but only Biden's age is an issue with the media

A very partisan never-Trump site I like, the Palmer Report, has had a few relevant articles of late on this topic of the differential coverage of Biden and Trump and the media's role in all of this. Remember, The New York Times called for Bidens resignation after the debate but not Trump's after his felony convictions:

[1] The new big lie
[2] Momentum for Biden 2024 grows – as do the false narratives

[3] And here's a third article that I liked, but can't link to because of a four-letter word in the title which appears in the link and is converted to asterisks by the RF software, so I'll just recopy it:

Today the New York Times published a story claiming that President Biden has privately admitted that his 2024 reelection bid is doomed if he can’t change the minds of the American people within the next few days. After it was published, the Biden campaign revealed that not only is the story false, the NY Times only gave them seven minutes to respond to the story before publication. In other words, the Times wanted to make sure it could hurry up and print this false story without having to include the Biden campaign’s denial.​
This comes after Jake Tapper – yes, the same Jake Tapper who put in such an intentionally inept performance moderating the debate that it would have gotten him fired from a job at Wendy’s – was forced to delete several tweets yesterday which falsely suggested that Democratic Governors were looking to oust Biden from the race.​
So now we’re at a point where the media is just flat out making [stuff] up about Biden as it desperately attempts to turn “Biden in trouble” into an ongoing ratings-friendly story. The kicker is that Biden went up in three new polls yesterday (and down in one other poll). It keeps becoming more clear that the debate didn’t have a real impact on the election, and that the race is still pretty much tied, as it has been all along. Yet the media is creating a fictional alternate universe in which Biden is so hopelessly far behind, he knows he’s doomed and the rest of his party is trying to shove him out the back door. Again, this race is tied.​
The problem, though, is that this is only half the problem. In its haste to make things up about Biden this week, the media is willfully ignoring multiple new brewing Trump scandals. Some new Jeffrey Epstein documents were just unsealed, and Trump’s name is all over them. It’s not a smoking gun, but it’s concerning enough that the media should be asking questions about why a current presidential candidate had such a deep relationship with a molester. There’s also a new scandal involving Trump and a new Saudi Arabian hotel. Shouldn’t the media be asking questions about why a guy who wants to be President again, and who gave such sweetheart military contracts to Saudi Arabia last time he was President, suddenly has a big new real estate deal with them?​
And yet it’s just not happening. These new Trump scandals might as well not exist in the eyes of the media. It’s even tricky for honest brokers to try to cover these new Trump scandals, because we’re too busy factually fighting back against the false stories that the media keeps making up about Biden.​
This has the feel of 2016 all over again, when the entire media (MSNBC was just as guilty as Fox) spent the entire election hyping a phony Hillary Clinton email scandal while underplaying or ignoring many of Trump’s most alarming scandals and red flags. Of course the media did that because it was certain that Hillary was going to win anyway, and that no harm would be done by its dishonesty. And Hillary would have won if not for that last minute Comey letter.​
. . .​
So keep in mind that even with the media firmly stacked against us, we’re not doomed. Not at all. But we do have to treat the media like it’s a dishonest opponent that has to be continually debunked. This is a three way race. Not between Biden, Trump, and RFK Jr (who’s been quietly self destructing of late), but between Biden, Trump, and the media. And you know what? We’re still going to win. But we’re going to have to do it by spending every day fighting back. So that’s what we’re going to do. Now let’s go win this together.​
What are your thoughts on Michelle Obama?
You and others might like reading this. It doesn't refer to her policies: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/michelle-obamas-polling-lead-trump-sort-matters-rcna160119?cid=eml_maddow_20240703&user_email=b52b2b5d30f9cd1856425ed4fb4deb000388ee5c024c81d81147b2200312f70c&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TRMS 7/3/24&utm_term=Rachel Maddow Show
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If good politicians are having a hard time being elected, they are not good politicians in the first place. Getting yourself elected is a basic requirement.
I won't agree, but that there are people who do goes a long way towards explaining why democracy is in such tatters worldwide.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Take a look at Axios: Behind the Curtain: Democratic rage at Biden rises

There are plenty of other articles like it, including those to be found in the New York Times and the Washington Post, but Axios is Paywall free.

Biden could do something heroic. I fear that he won't.
Bidens frail health is a national security threat! Where will that guy we saw in the debate be mentally in 1 year, 2 years, 3 years? The media conspired to hide Roosevelt's disability, but they can no longer hide Bidens decline!

Which one is the greater threat? Trump or Biden?
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I won't agree, but that there are people who do goes a long way towards explaining why democracy is in such tatters worldwide.

I don't see how the two are related... at all. Nor do I think democracy has ever been in a good shape.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I don't see how the two are related... at all. Nor do I think democracy has ever been in a good shape.
... are you serious?

It should be obvious that there is a responsibility of choice in voting.

If we vote in people who are incompetent and even emotionally irresponsible yet willing to promise the heavens in a breadbasket, we are enabling the harbingers of political and social disaster.

Which I guess isn't difficult to notice...
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
... are you serious?

It should be obvious that there is a responsibility of choice in voting.

If we vote in people who are incompetent and even emotionally irresponsible yet willing to promise the heavens in a breadbasket, we are enabling the harbingers of political and social disaster.

Which I guess isn't difficult to notice...

I don't even think the executive branch elections have that much to do with campaign promises in themselves. I see it as revolving around what each politicians represents (or doesn't represent).
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Trump.

While I'm not a big fan of patriotic displays, it is my fervent hope that next 4th of July is a celebration, not a memorial.
I see the bigger threat being the (D) parties willingness to risk Americas security in order to stay in power. For the average American the quality of life was much better under Trump.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Democrats might do well to remember that in early 1968, Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not run for re-election. The DNC nominated his VP, Hubert Humphrey, who accepted and ran. Does anybody remember President Hubert Humphrey? No? I thought not, since Richard Nixon won.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Democrats might do well to remember that in early 1968, Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not run for re-election. The DNC nominated his VP, Hubert Humphrey, who accepted and ran. Does anybody remember President Hubert Humphrey? No? I thought not, since Richard Nixon won.

Are you saying that Biden dropping out would most likely increase the likelihood of a Trump presidency?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I don't even think the executive branch elections have that much to do with campaign promises in themselves. I see it as revolving around what each politicians represents (or doesn't represent).
Fair enough, but you are changing the subject for some reason that I can't discern.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I see the bigger threat being the (D) parties willingness to risk Americas security in order to stay in power. For the average American the quality of life was much better under Trump.

... where did you come from? Certainly not this planet.
 
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