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The Big Bang Theory is dead.

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Sorry, it is not a cop out when you refuse to learn. But you do provide light entertainment. And serve as a real world example of the dangers of religious indoctrination.
Evolution is religious indoctrination and it is very dangerous.
Darwin was an extreme racist.
Marx based his evil communism and socialism on Darwin's insanity (he had seances with devils). Marx wanted to shed the blood of 100s of millions.
From his evils, sprang Hitler, Stalin and Mao and many others.
Communism and Socialism have slaughtered 100s of millions and have destroyed the lives of billions more.
Abortion is a product of evolution. More than 2 billion innocent children slaughtered in a heinous manner.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Evolution is religious indoctrination and it is very dangerous.
Darwin was an extreme racist.
Marx based his evil communism and socialism on Darwin's insanity (he had seances with devils). Marx wanted to shed the blood of 100s of millions.
From his evils, sprang Hitler, Stalin and Mao and many others.
Communism and Socialism have slaughtered 100s of millions and have destroyed the lives of billions more.
Abortion is a product of evolution. More than 2 billion innocent children slaughtered in a heinous manner.
More nonsense. And it is a pity that you do not read or understand your Bible. It is not anti abortion.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Sorry, it is not a cop out when you refuse to learn. But you do provide light entertainment. And serve as a real world example of the dangers of religious indoctrination.
I don't see any defense for the claims of the OP. It is as if they cannot be defended and this fact is known, but must be suppressed by lobbing insults and meaningless demands of others.

I'm still laughing that what I have seen is the best that has been brought to bear.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
I don't see any defense for the claims of the OP. It is as if they cannot be defended and this fact is known, but must be suppressed by lobbing insults and meaningless demands of others.

I'm still laughing that what I have seen is the best that has been brought to bear.
Those that are blind cannot see and you are blind.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Of course ignore the actual proof, aka cosmic background radiation of the big bang that has been mapped as well.
The problem is not so much the Big Bang, but the early expansion physics. For example, the universe shows superstructure at the largest scale. The current theory of the universe, has space-time expanding at all points, simultaneously, like a balloon blowing up. It did not expect or predict the less than symmetrical superstructure. A different early physics mechanism is needed.

Besides the superstructure, there are spiral galaxies with too many turns, so very early in the universe. Like the rings of a tree we can age spiral galaxies by their number of turns. These ancient spiral galaxies are too advanced; old looking, for being in the universe so early. Physics need a new mechanism to explain this, since the current early physics falls short.

Stars are being found that also formed very early, compared to the current early physics predictions. Big Bang is still fine, but after t=0+, is now very shaky. Change to theory is slow and students are left defending a sinking ship.

I proposed a model that can fix this almost twenty years ago. Picture the primordial atom of the BB, being similar to the mother of all black holes. Space-time is highly contracted, so it appears as a singularity. There is no event horizon since even that is part of the point.

The current model has this suddenly expanding into umpteen particles. This would represent a huge increase in entropy, which absorbs heat. This is where observations like early stars and galaxies have a problem. One would need to go against the second law; quickly reverse the hot atomization, to make structure.

The work around is the singularity for the BB does not directly atomize into particles, but rather it splits like a mother cell into two daughter cells. This will also increase entropy, but much less, thereby needing less energy to occur. It is also causing space-time to expand, but much slower, since we still have two close black holes.

In this model, the daughter cells continue to divide, again, and again, as energy is made available; body of the universal superstructure. When we reach a critical stage; matter condensation occurs at the level of the smallest daughter cells; galaxy scale. Now there is a mini-big bang phase cascade, at the level of the galaxy cells. This expansion of the daughter cells, explains why the universe appears to expand relative to the galaxies and why galaxies have huge central black holes; remnants of an earlier time.

With all these daughter cells very compact, when the Big Bang or mini big bang cascade starts to occur; billions of little time bombs, all giving off powerful energy wave fronts, as the galaxies expand relative to each other. Pressure waves from all sides and gravity keeps galactic matter close to the central daughter cell, and external turbulence adds eddies. The universe's body is roughed in very quickly by modern standards.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
The problem is not so much the Big Bang, but the early expansion physics. For example, the universe shows superstructure at the largest scale. The current theory of the universe, has space-time expanding at all points, simultaneously, like a balloon blowing up. It did not expect or predict the less than symmetrical superstructure. A different early physics mechanism is needed.

Besides the superstructure, there are spiral galaxies with too many turns, so very early in the universe. Like the rings of a tree we can age spiral galaxies by their number of turns. These ancient spiral galaxies are too advanced; old looking, for being in the universe so early. Physics need a new mechanism to explain this, since the current early physics falls short.

Stars are being found that also formed very early, compared to the current early physics predictions. Big Bang is still fine, but after t=0+, is now very shaky. Change to theory is slow and students are left defending a sinking ship.

I proposed a model that can fix this almost twenty years ago. Picture the primordial atom of the BB, being similar to the mother of all black holes. Space-time is highly contracted, so it appears as a singularity. There is no event horizon since even that is part of the point.

The current model has this suddenly expanding into umpteen particles. This would represent a huge increase in entropy, which absorbs heat. This is where observations like early stars and galaxies have a problem. One would need to go against the second law; quickly reverse the hot atomization, to make structure.

The work around is the singularity for the BB does not directly atomize into particles, but rather it splits like a mother cell into two daughter cells. This will also increase entropy, but much less, thereby needing less energy to occur. It is also causing space-time to expand, but much slower, since we still have two close black holes.

In this model, the daughter cells continue to divide, again, and again, as energy is made available; body of the universal superstructure. When we reach a critical stage; matter condensation occurs at the level of the smallest daughter cells; galaxy scale. Now there is a mini-big bang phase cascade, at the level of the galaxy cells. This expansion of the daughter cells, explains why the universe appears to expand relative to the galaxies and why galaxies have huge central black holes; remnants of an earlier time.

With all these daughter cells very compact, when the Big Bang or mini big bang cascade starts to occur; billions of little time bombs, all giving off powerful energy wave fronts, as the galaxies expand relative to each other. Pressure waves from all sides and gravity keeps galactic matter close to the central daughter cell, and external turbulence adds eddies. The universe's body is roughed in very quickly by modern standards.
First, then you as well as others have noticed the problems and inconsistencies with the Big Bang.

Just curios. Have you published your model anywhere?

I of course believe that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago without evolution. It is just a straight forward read of the Bible nut especially Genesis 1,6, Exodus 20:11 and what Christ said in Matthew 19:4-5.

I know that there are several models by YEC scientists including Humphreys and Gentry. I have read these. I just from a straight forward read of Genesis 1 believe that God created light from the all stars and galaxies when He created the stars and galaxies. so that man can use that and see the glory of God especially with modern telescopes. Have you read their theories? and if so what did you think?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
First, then you as well as others have noticed the problems and inconsistencies with the Big Bang.

Just curios. Have you published your model anywhere?

I of course believe that God created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago without evolution. It is just a straight forward read of the Bible nut especially Genesis 1,6, Exodus 20:11 and what Christ said in Matthew 19:4-5.

I know that there are several models by YEC scientists including Humphreys and Gentry. I have read these. I just from a straight forward read of Genesis 1 believe that God created light from the all stars and galaxies when He created the stars and galaxies. so that man can use that and see the glory of God especially with modern telescopes. Have you read their theories? and if so what did you think?
He just posts science salad quite often . He has no model.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I do and have been presenting an immense amount which you ignore.
What was the first living thing and what features did it have?
No, you clearly don't. As I have pointed out before if you did understand the concept of evidence it would be child's play to show that you were a bald faced liar. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt there. You are merely ignorant.

Let me try to help. This is essentially the definition of scientific evidence used by all scientists:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis,

Pretty easy. Nice and straight forward.

Do you have any questions?
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
BTW, Bertrand Russel is one of the most evil men of the 20t century. You may want to find someone else to quote.
Read this .

Ah, I see where I went wrong, given he was one of the philosophers I read as a teenager (quite taken with him actually), but then I wouldn't trust any assessment of yours, given you have trouble with dates and ages of things - one of the basic requirements as to understanding things truthfully. Did you fail at history too, given this might be an issue?
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Cop outs make you look childish.
The theory of evolution and billions of years is a lie and indefensible. Obviously you cannot answer what the origin of anything is.
Sorry, you've done this for yourself since you came here, and choosing a better nick might have helped. Too preachy often just gets rejected.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Evolution is religious indoctrination and it is very dangerous.
Darwin was an extreme racist.
Marx based his evil communism and socialism on Darwin's insanity (he had seances with devils). Marx wanted to shed the blood of 100s of millions.
From his evils, sprang Hitler, Stalin and Mao and many others.
Communism and Socialism have slaughtered 100s of millions and have destroyed the lives of billions more.
Abortion is a product of evolution. More than 2 billion innocent children slaughtered in a heinous manner.
Have you the same bile for Wallace, who basically came up with the same theory as Darwin?
 
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