SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So God messed up right from the beginning.
Oopsy.
Death was good for my grandfather. He was in pain and he was ready.
I'm sorry to hear it.
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Oopsy.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Thanks.
Sorry about your grandfather.
You can tell if there is something severely wrong with a person's moral reasoning if they judge all humans to be morally equal to Hitler, that is obviously absurd
You can't have been born that way, where does your moral reasoning come from, where did you learn to think like that?????
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I never said morally equivalent to Hitler,
But a person will probably sin in their thoughts, words, and deeds about 100 times a day.
After 30 years, that is about 1 million sins.
So a 70 year old is 60 years from their youth, so has sinned over 2 million times. (100x(70-10)x365)
But you said that good unbelievers are in the same category as Hitler. You yourself said that. You said they deserve the exact same treatment, which just goes to show your God couldn't care less about good and bad or right and wrong but is instead obsessed with power and control over humanity, which would make him a tyrant
And so who cares about sins? They are merely rule violations. It should not be the rule violations that count but the actual harm done to others. Harm should be what counts as bad, not rule violations
Which means that what you have just said means your moral system doesn't actually care about morality, only the power and control of your god
Further evidence that your moral system is merely a system of control and domination, a system that is obviously man-made
Which counts towards your god being a tyrant and your claims about him being false
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Unbelievers are going to the same place.
Yes. Morality is part of being a social species. Morality develops in such a way that survival is increased. Either that, or the species changes to not be social.
Why you think evolution says we will die off is beyond me. The whole point is that changes occur to make survival more likely.
Esteban X
Active Member
What about free will?
Yes
So it is unbelief that your god punishes, not evil
Which means he punishes good people
Which makes him a tyrant
Which makes him evil
Which is a fact which contradicts Christianity
Which means that Christianity is contradicted by the facts
Which makes Christianity false
Which means it is reasonable to reject it
That's the only reasonable conclusion and I see no reason to doubt it
Only threats which are as desperate as it is pathetic
Esteban X
Active Member
So would God.
You're describing something a psychopath would do.
Is there any biblical basis for such a notion?
I didn't know the Christian God practiced mind control, that one's new to me
Or did you just make that up yourself?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
God hardened Pharoah's heart.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. - Romand 9:17-18
Interesting, thanks for sharing
I can't help but find that rather sinister
I wouldn't want anyone hardening my heart
So free will is a crock, we're just pawns in a psychopaths game. You really know how to make Christianity less appealing. Well done, I didn't think it was possible.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I do not believe that it happens that much.
Probably limited to people like Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.
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TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Here's where you are wrong.
An honest person does not "choose" his beliefs.
To an honest person, beliefs are a compulsion based on reason and evidence.
I can't "choose" to believe that if I drop my keys, they will float mid air. Instead, due to the evidence, I am compelled to believe they will fall down to earth.
I can't "choose" to believe that santa is real.
Likewise, I can't "choose" to believe your god is real.
So really, your god punishes intellectual honesty.
Your god punishes those who don't kiss his feet.
Very tyrant thing to do.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
So you don't know... you simply believe that. Probably because it is inconvenient for your silly "argument" to believe otherwise and for no other reason.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I showed that God does harden hearts as in the case of Pharaoh and from that passsage it says God does that to others.
As to Hitler, Stalin and Mao and others like them that is my personal belief.