ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
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The Big Bang Theory is dead.
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Esteban X
Active Member
Still not proof, just a claim
John Lennox Quote
What (Stephen) Hawking says in his book The Grand Design is the universe exists because it needed to exist, and because it needed to exist, it therefore created itself. His conclusion merely restates his premise, which means his argument is circular. Nonsense is nonsense, even when spoken by...www.azquotes.com
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You misspelled "misrepresenting"
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
In the long or short run, God wins. The Bible is evidence of that. That humans can see the possibility of enjoying life is not beyond reason. And enjoying life forever. Birds are generally short-lived, although they can be beautiful and amusing and, I suppose, fascinating for some. I am sure they do not contemplate why they are alive -- or if there is a higher power -- or if the universe "created itself." (lol) And good morning!John Lennox Quote
What (Stephen) Hawking says in his book The Grand Design is the universe exists because it needed to exist, and because it needed to exist, it therefore created itself. His conclusion merely restates his premise, which means his argument is circular. Nonsense is nonsense, even when spoken by...
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Actually... That quote is just lenox who claims hawking said it.
What I love is how people as yourself expose their extremely low standard of evidence whenever ANYTHING is said that confirms what they like / want to believe.
But they'll demand impossible amounts of evidence when something is said that contradicts their a priori beliefs.
That is what is truly "lol".
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Hawking's original idea was the 'no-boundary' proposal that basically did away with a start all together. In simple terms time becomes space very near to where there would have been a start.
Hartle–Hawking state - Wikipedia
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Dr. Hawking -- did he have "proof" of his changing ideas?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
What is the point you think you are making with those bird statements?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Science deals in evidence, not proof.
It's okay though... it's only the bazzilionth time this has been pointed out to you.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Unargued assertion. How is an old, self-contradictory collection of books with no coherent message and no consistent view of 'god', evidence?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Please prove one error in the KJB.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
It features a talking snake.
I predict a hilarious non-argument response in 3...2....1...
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You've had more than one example already. Just ignoring them won't make them go away and it makes you look dim or scared.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Satan can deceive.
You just fulfilled yet another prediction from the Bible with exact detail and exact timing.
Good job and you can't help yourself.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Look >here< for one you ignored.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, Lennox made that silly quote. He never showed that it was an accurate claim about the work of Hawking. In other words it appears to be a strawman fallacy.John Lennox Quote
What (Stephen) Hawking says in his book The Grand Design is the universe exists because it needed to exist, and because it needed to exist, it therefore created itself. His conclusion merely restates his premise, which means his argument is circular. Nonsense is nonsense, even when spoken by...
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Lenox took Hawking's idea and refuted it,
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, that appears to be a strawman argument of Lennox. Lennox never quoted from Hawking when he made that statement.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Where? He didn't do so in that silly quote.
Esteban X
Active Member
Matthew claims Jesus was born before the Death of Herod (4 BC), Luke claims he was born during a census that occurred in 6AD.