McBell
Unbound
Not surprising with all the Bovine Feces Trump was shoveling.
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We've been through this before. Trump also is the only voice who is allowed to say whether it was fair or not. Sixty-one court cases said the last one was fair -- only Trump denies it, and that makes it "God's truth" I suppose?
Really? He's fooled you often enough.
To Trump, part of the definition of "fair" is "I win." Otherwise, it's unfair.
And who will decide whether it is a "fair and honest election?" Who decided 2020 was not? Certainly not the courts, nor any of the states. Only Trump and his knuckle-walking followers.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Or the deranged crowd of soothsayers with their conspiracy theories.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. The cause was the actual instigators at the Capitol. Trump was no where near the place.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
And when I yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, I was nowhere near the people who got trampled.
And, come to think of it, Osama Bin Laden was nowhere near New York on 9/11.
Totally blameless, the pair of us.
PureX
Veteran Member
It was a bit scary watching Trump blatantly lie and blame Biden for all his own failings, and for all the damage he did as a result of them. It was a practice strait out of Hitler's "how to be a fascist dictator" playbook. And you know the Trump cult was just eating it all up.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Yeah, I wonder if how things turned out last night will give RFK Jr a boost in the polls?
We Never Know
No Slack
Your false claim....
If I answered after you asked, then I didn't dance around it.
The thing about Trump is that he is a performer, and he can tell lie after lie and it sounds like he's being truthful. Most of us don't have conmen in our lives, and we tend to trust people at face value. Trump sounds confident, and assertive. It can be easy to believe what he says UNTIL a preson understands who Trump is. If a voter is not well informed on the lies that Trump told, and tells on a regular basis, it all sounded convincing.
No one won the debate. Biden was ill and out of it, and Trump told one falsehood after another.
I've never seen Biden this bad, so I can buy the claim that he was sick. He'd had a lot of traveling in the past few weeks, going to Europe. Trump has been practicing his natural false rhetoric at rallies, and he had his sound bites already. Biden had been preparing but it may have worn him out. In a way how can anyone debate a conman? Trump just threw out one false claim after another, and all an opponent can do is throw out true claims, and the more confident performer will win. Too bad Trump is a professional conman.
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Overall, it cannot be denied, Biden did not do what he needed to do. He was fine on policy, but the people who really understand how government works are already on his side, so for the others, he really needed to display energy and strong leadership to pull some of them in. He didn't do that.
On the other hand, Trump needed to be a decent person this time. Those who don't mind his taking shots at everybody and their children, or who aren't in the least bothered by his lies, philandering and plain grift -- well, they're already on his side. To pull the undecideds and anyone on Biden's side, this time he needed to be a nice guy. That is palpably beyond his capacity for anything longer than about 30 seconds. So he didn't do what he needed to, either.
Thus, since I don't see the Democrats finding somebody to replace Biden in the short time they have left, and I don't see the Republicans even daring to think about replacing Trump, this election is going to come down to who people are going to vote against, rather than for. Picking the lesser of two evils -- or reverting to Kennedy. So I can see Kennedy picking up some votes, but it will never be enough to win the election. So the nation will inevitably choose the least dangerous of Biden and Trump.
In my personal view, that's still Biden -- but my view may not be the view of many Americans. I can't read them very well. As a nation, they are more different than Canadians than I thought.
On the other hand, Trump needed to be a decent person this time. Those who don't mind his taking shots at everybody and their children, or who aren't in the least bothered by his lies, philandering and plain grift -- well, they're already on his side. To pull the undecideds and anyone on Biden's side, this time he needed to be a nice guy. That is palpably beyond his capacity for anything longer than about 30 seconds. So he didn't do what he needed to, either.
Thus, since I don't see the Democrats finding somebody to replace Biden in the short time they have left, and I don't see the Republicans even daring to think about replacing Trump, this election is going to come down to who people are going to vote against, rather than for. Picking the lesser of two evils -- or reverting to Kennedy. So I can see Kennedy picking up some votes, but it will never be enough to win the election. So the nation will inevitably choose the least dangerous of Biden and Trump.
In my personal view, that's still Biden -- but my view may not be the view of many Americans. I can't read them very well. As a nation, they are more different than Canadians than I thought.
McBell
Unbound
I agree.
Especially given that that is all Trump has in support of claims of 2020 being unfair.
I think this points up one of the glaring weaknesses in the Democratic strategy these past several years. All they've really been doing is reacting to Trump and going on and on about how bad Trump is. This has allowed Trump to set the narrative and tone, when the Democrats might have been better off to take a completely different approach, something befitting a party which supposedly embraces progressivism and favors the working classes. Too many strange bedfellows have tied the Democrats' hands to the point where they can't put up their best fight anymore, Biden's physical ailments notwithstanding.
McBell
Unbound
And I already stated that I did recall you actually answering the question.
You pointed your answer out.
I agree you did answer it.
So, no false claim.
At least on MY part.
We Never Know
No Slack
The instigators were the perpetrators. Trump was the cause, or at least part of the cause.
McBell
Unbound
It is my unpopular opinion that BOTH parties should seriously rethink their nominations and actually provide candidates that the American people can actually get behind.
A fairly fast list of falsehoods that Trump told during the debate. Very Gish Gallop strategy, just spew out one lie after another. How can anyone respond to each one?