The First Cause was not God.

[Thief]

I call it complex interactions. A rock is less complex. An insect or creature is more complex. A human is highly complex. They all interact differently. That level of interaction is their awareness.

And your interaction with heaven is pending.
What do you expect?

 

[Runewolf1973]

And your interaction with heaven is pending.
What do you expect?

Nothing. I don't believe heaven or God exists.

 

[Thief]

Nothing. I don't believe heaven or God exists.

Then the item responding to this post is terminal?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Then the item responding to this post is terminal?

I believe in reincarnation. The interaction never ceases, only the form changes.

 

[Sonofason]

Is a tree aware of being? Is a rock aware of being? Being does not necessitate awareness or consciousness. Being is simply existing.

I have no idea if a tree is aware of its being, and I have no idea if a rock is aware of its being. It may be that everything in existence is aware of its being.

"And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out."
(Luke 19:39-40)

 

[Thief]

I believe in reincarnation. The interaction never ceases, only the form changes.

This planet will die....and you with it.
You remain terminal as long as you as remain in the flesh.
If you prefer to die repeatedly.....ok with me.
But the flesh will end.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God is not a magical being, He is all powerful. The energy of this universe exists because God spoke it into existence.

Indeed, when God spoke, the empty and void universe was completely transformed.

I'm not sure why you thought that a story of your god using a magic incantation to create the universe would help your case that your god is not a magical being.

 

[Thief]

The ability to say...I AM!...is not magic.

Magic is slight of hand and distraction.

Creating the universe is not slight....
I guess you could say it is....distracting!

Look up!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The ability to say...I AM!...is not magic.

Magic is slight of hand and distraction.

That's stage illusion... IOW, pretending to use magic.

Creating the universe is not slight....
I guess you could say it is....distracting!

Look up!

BTW: it's "sleight of hand", not "slight of hand". Two different words with two different meanings.

Sleight: dexterity or skill

 

[George-ananda]

There is in fact something behind the existence of those Fundamental Forces. That "matrix of all matter" is not God, nor is it a conscious or intelligent mind. I believe it is another naturally existing Fundamental Force or Fundamental Interaction that science just hasn't figured out yet.

Where did that "matrix of all matter" come from?

I believe there is something that is the basis of all matter and I call that God.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

There was a First Cause. That First Cause was not something supernatural or spiritual. It was not God. It was a naturally existing force or interaction. A Fundamental Force even more fundamental than gravity or electromagnetism. Someday science will find a way to unify the four Fundamental Forces into a single, all-encompassing force. This will be the origin of the universe, the First Cause, the First Interaction.

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force..." Max Plank

There is in fact something behind the existence of those Fundamental Forces. That "matrix of all matter" is not God, nor is it a conscious or intelligent mind. I believe it is another naturally existing Fundamental Force or Fundamental Interaction that science just hasn't figured out yet.

Infinity problem.

 

[Mycroft]

an all powerful, all knowing, intelligent being cannot pop into existence from nothing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Infinity problem.

If God exists, and if a potential first cause didn't cause God, then by definition, the potential first cause isn't a first cause.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

If God exists, and if a potential first cause didn't cause God, then by definition, the potential first cause isn't a first cause.

Umm, huh

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Umm, huh

Whatever caused God would be an earlier "cause" than God or anything caused by God.

 

[Thief]

Whatever caused God would be an earlier "cause" than God or anything caused by God.

The hall of mirrors trick won't work on God.

Unless of course we say that Man is created in God's image.
(still, that's not an exact reflection as in a mirror....and Man wasn't there at the point of singularity)

 

[Sonofason]

I'm not sure why you thought that a story of your god using a magic incantation to create the universe would help your case that your god is not a magical being.

Your words, not mine.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Infinity problem.

What do you mean by this? What problem?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your words, not mine.

Regardless, it's an accurate description. The only difference between "miracle" and "magic" is perspective.

 

[Thief]

Regardless, it's an accurate description. The only difference between "miracle" and "magic" is perspective.

Nope!
Magic is slight of hand....a play against your perceptions.

Miracles are a change is reality that cannot readily be explained.