The Gospel - Is it only that Jesus died or is it that we celebrate The Resurrection?

[URAVIP2ME]

I think Jesus fulfills the prophecies in the future through his church. The Christian through eyes of faith believes all is accomplished, that Jesus is the alpha and omega, even though it is not visible to physical eyes. Faith(fulness) is the evidence of things not seen. Martyrs are the foundation of the church.
When men are taught to analyze Torah they can get life from it, and regardless of whether "none of it is true in fact" it still has substance. If women want to study Torah that is up to them, but its important that the men begin to learn it. A male Christian who cannot analyze the Torah must do without the strength it lends. Its easy to develop an addiction to signs. We see this: in groups that look for proofs that prophecies have been fulfilled. There are some long and complex arguments, because they start to see prophecy as a tool to prove things.

Interesting that you mention ' start to see prophecy is a tool to prove things '.
I never thought of prophecies as a 'tool' but why not _________
* What was prophesied at 2nd Timothy 3:1-5,13 is a 'useful tool' that fits our day or time frame.
* The good news (gospel) of God's Kingdom (Dan. 2:44) is a 'useful tool' for the nations to hear - Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8
* The ' final signal ' so to speak, of 1st Thess. 5:2-3 is a 'useful tool' to forewarn others when the powers in charge are saying, " Peace and Security......" that is really going to prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14.
* And chapter 35 of Isaiah is a ' useful tool ' to show earth's beautiful paradisical future for earth and for us.
ALL such verses I think deserve to be in one's ' tool box ' to help others know God's purpose for Earth - Jeremiah 29:11

 

[YoursTrue]

That would make Jesus a liar then.

No, it would not if you're referring to what I think you are referring to.
Genesis 18 has the account of three men visiting Abraham. These men were said to be the LORD. Yet God said that no man can see His face and live. We know these men that appeared to Abraham were angels. They could appear as warranted.
"Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the Oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance of his tent. 2And Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground."

 

[metis]

The Pharisees hated Jesus and Jesus explains why he pronounced many 'woes' upon them in chapter 23 of Matthew.
Jesus as Messiah (Not Pharisee) put his followers under the 'Law of Christ' - see Galatians 6:2

You simply do not understand where the Pharisees were coming from and how Jesus fit into that picture. Again, maybe read the link I gave you for evidence.

 

[pearl]

Unlike a novel, the Bible I find is Not written to just be read as one would read a novel.

True, it ought to be read in stages as it was written, stages with many years between.
unknown authors etc. Only John mentions himself as the author, and that is questionable.
The other authors wrote anonymously, it was the Church that assigned the names as authors of their
gospels.

 

[pearl]

You simply do not understand where the Pharisees were coming from and how Jesus fit into that picture. Again, maybe read the link I gave you for evidence.

Politically and religiously, Jesus would have identified with the Pharisees, but not with the hypocrisy,
as Jesus points out in the so-named woes. He did suggest they sit in 'Moses Seat', listen to him,
not to 'do as they do'.

 

[metis]

Politically and religiously, Jesus would have identified with the Pharisees, but not with the hypocrisy,
as Jesus points out in the so-named woes. He did suggest they sit in 'Moses Seat', listen to him,
not to 'do as they do'.

Undoubtedly true, imo.

 

[YoursTrue]

True, it ought to be read in stages as it was written, stages with many years between.
unknown authors etc. Only John mentions himself as the author, and that is questionable.
The other authors wrote anonymously, it was the Church that assigned the names as authors of their
gospels.

I'll be simple about this -- seems the scrolls or books (however one wants to designate them) -- were written at various times, pertaining to various circumstances, the writers at various stages of Israel's history.

 

[YoursTrue]

You simply do not understand where the Pharisees were coming from and how Jesus fit into that picture. Again, maybe read the link I gave you for evidence.

Would you mind providing that link again, @metis, because I did some research on this and apparently the jury is out, many do not believe he was a Pharisee, and some do.

 

[YoursTrue]

Politically and religiously, Jesus would have identified with the Pharisees, but not with the hypocrisy,
as Jesus points out in the so-named woes. He did suggest they sit in 'Moses Seat', listen to him,
not to 'do as they do'.

Well now the question comes up more about the Pharisees. I believe Paul had been a Pharisee.

 

[pearl]

I'll be simple about this -- seems the scrolls or books (however one wants to designate them) -- were written at various times, pertaining to various circumstances, the writers at various stages of Israel's history.

Yes. And these are only the Gospels that made the cut from the many written.

 

[metis]

Would you mind providing that link again, @metis, because I did some research on this and apparently the jury is out, many do not believe he was a Pharisee, and some do.

Pharisees - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The key here is to read what they believe in, especially relating to dealing with the scriptures along with their concept of heaven. In Judaism, what Jesus was doing is called "commentary", which Jews still use today as descendants of the Pharisees. When Jesus spoke at the synagogue, that is something that Pharisee rabbis often did.

 

[pearl]

In Judaism, what Jesus was doing is called "commentary", which Jews still use today as descendants of the Pharisees. When Jesus spoke at the synagogue, that is something that Pharisee rabbis often did.

Lapide, a Jewish scholar agrees. Jesus is speaking completely within the confines of the arguments of the Judaism of His time. Jesus uses the common way of speaking to give His Torah explanation, and that He in no way intends to express Himself ‘antithetically’ about Torah and tradition, and that He intends the radically break with it even less. That is a Christian construction that came afterwards.

 

[metis]

Jesus uses the common way of speaking to give His Torah explanation, and that He in no way intends to express Himself ‘antithetically’ about Torah and tradition, and that He intends the radically break with it even less.

I do tend to agree with you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

True, it ought to be read in stages as it was written, stages with many years between.
unknown authors etc. Only John mentions himself as the author, and that is questionable.
The other authors wrote anonymously, it was the Church that assigned the names as authors of their
gospels.

I'm trying to find the names of the ones who translated the King James Bible version.
Since 'God' is THE Author of the Holy Scriptures (2nd Timothy 3:16-17) then the rest are His secretaries.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

................................................. , and that He in no way intends to express Himself ‘antithetically’ about Torah and tradition, and that He intends the radically break with it even less. That is a Christian construction that came afterwards.

To me, Matthew 5:17 does Not come as a construction that came afterwards.
Fulfiled as Jesus said at Luke 4:21
Along with Jesus' advice found at Matthew 5:20
Besides Matthew 23:23 Jesus told us about man-made religious practices or ideas at Matthew 15:7-9

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm trying to find the names of the ones who translated the King James Bible version.
Since 'God' is THE Author of the Holy Scriptures (2nd Timothy 3:16-17) then the rest are His secretaries.

I remember going to a museum of art and saw a picture of one of the Bible writers with an angel by his side as he was writing. I found it very moving.

 

[wellwisher]

Lapide, a Jewish scholar agrees. Jesus is speaking completely within the confines of the arguments of the Judaism of His time. Jesus uses the common way of speaking to give His Torah explanation, and that He in no way intends to express Himself ‘antithetically’ about Torah and tradition, and that He intends the radically break with it even less. That is a Christian construction that came afterwards.

Jesus came to fulfill the Prophesies and the Law. Jesus, from the time of his youth would try to set the stage for this change, bu using scripture to show how all was coming to a head. Moses and the Mosaic Law, changed the Old Dispensation that came out of Genesis. Now the Mosaic Law was about to be updated. Nobody likes drastic change, so there was resistance, especially political, by those whose power and prestige was based on the Law.

One prophesy that was addressed by Jesus, was the coming of the Messiah. The anticipated Messiah was supposed to become powerful and able to rescue the Jews and then assume control over their enemies. Jesus to them, did not fit that bill. He was humble but precocious.

However, before older Jesus began his ministry, he went into the desert to fast and pray. He was visited by Satan, who among other things, offers Jesus the wealth and power of all the Kingdoms of the earth. Jesus does not question Satan's authority to do so, but he rather declines the offer. Had Jesus accepted this offer, he would have become the Messiah everyone expected; rich and powerful, having control over all the kingdoms of the Earth. By refusing the offer, he altered the future. To become the Messiah, he learned, he had to bow and serve Satan.

Jesus had been well known, by the Rabbis in his town, as being very precocious since his youth. When he returned from his fast, and told of his experience with Satan, and how the Messiah was connected to Satan, and not directly to God, the crap hit the fan. Their love changed to hate since he implicated them as connected to works of Satan.

Even today when I tell this way of looking at the Temptation of Jesus, and even though Satan in the tree of knowledge of good and evil, is a metaphor for Satan and law, this is not easy to swallow. It implies the Old and most of the New Testament, besides Revelation, after Genesis, and after the fall, was under Satan's authority.

However, this Satan Authority premise can be suported, by God resting on the seventh day. The first six days of Creation, has God building something and then resting; a day is done. After the six days, and the final rest, there is no direct indication that God ever works again, until Revelations of the New Testament. The miracles of Moses are more like maintenance and not the epic building of days 1-6. This lack of direct evidence of God back to work, would imply God was on a prolonged Sabbath Rest; in human years. He assinged others to do the work, of maintenaence, as God rested. The tradition of the human Sabbath, is not work, but if needed assign others to work for you.

Satan appears to have been was assigned to be the Lord of the Earth, in charge of humans and earth, after the fall, while God was resting. This rest is longer than assumed. When God gets ready to go back to work and epic creation he forms a New heaven and Earth in Revelation 22 and a bejeweld city of Jerusalem descends fron the sky; epic God caliber stuff

What Jesus did, by not accepting the offer of Satan; CEO, to be his Messiah, as God; Chairman of the Board, rested, was to cause a political divide in Heaven, that leads to a war. The Angels did not like Satan tempting the son of God, as God rested. Their job was to protect Jesus as even Satan says;

Mathew 4-6. If you are the Son of God,' he said, 'throw yourself down. For it is written: ''He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.''

Revelation 12:7–107 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.

Up to the war in Heaven, Satan was condoned by God in Heaven, to be his CEO; Lord of the Earth, as God rested. But after tempting Jesus, there was a change in management; Satan is fired; Satan is then thrown to earth, and is now no longer condoned in Heaven. Humans still assumed the Old dispensation of Satan in Heaven, was still in effect, since nothng appears to change on earth. However, the old way is no longer sanctified by heaven; laws of God becomes the laws of man and exiled Satan.

Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

When Satan is thrown from Heaven, the earth become under chaos; spirital disorienation. God is not yet working, but is getting ready and Jesus is about to replace Satan as the CEO; faith and love condoned by Heaven.

 

[metis]

Had Jesus accepted this offer, he would have become the Messiah everyone expected; rich and powerful, having control over all the kingdoms of the Earth.

Yes, Jesus was indeed a "leftist".

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

I have heard it said, written somewhere, Jesus taught in parables of the times. But to His Disciples he spoke to in private. What does this mean, just asking? Thanks in advance with this help from anyone.

Through the Sacraments of Baptism and Communion death and resurrection allows new life to the spirit through the flesh to the soul of the being in the Body of God as united, and through all of the mysteries of the Faith in God.

To me The logic of the "CEO" wellwisher speaks of, is like the "new" parable of the CEO. I add the new Parable of "AI" RI" as a logic training tool for the Eternal logic that manifests creation as infallible unfailing incorruptible and immortal eternity. The real "RI" intelligence reimages, through the "connected" as one in being "Power" of The Divine Spirit Will to manifests unfailing eternity in the soul of the being, so perhaps there can be no artificial "AI" intelligence in Heaven.

Please advise if I have stated anything not in His teachings with respect to the Logic of the Spirit will of God in fulfilled faith and morality.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

The question to me is in the "Gift" of eternal life. How can the creator of the universe get "created" spirits, as "angels" to conform to His will to share in His Divinity? Perhaps, create some spirits with flesh and choice in the Body, as "mankind" on earth. To me logically, this is how mankind could be logically greater than the angels in Heaven, and perhaps how mankind, through The Christ will save the angels. To me this is the logic of perhaps how The Christ will resurrect life eternal for all, angels and saints and martyrs and all the Old Covenant saved, from the Bosom of Abraham, to remove the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil through His fulfillement of all Faith and Morality in all mankind and to regain access to the Tree of Life in the fulfilled Heaven and Earth through the fulfilled Faith and Morality in The New Heaven.

To me this is the ground breaking Logic of the Will of The Father, presented as logic so that even a child can understand it.

I just don't want to be wrong, though, so please, we know perhaps to trust what we receive from the senses, but verify, with respect to the Logic of the Divine, some say "Holy" Spirit.

To me becoming the image in logic is Through the Power of the Conceived Spirit in the soul of Christ, His spirit is sanctified as the will of God. And He remained sinless throughout His life in the Flesh as sanctified. Therefore, by logic, His Body, spirit and flesh in the soul of His being is immortal and incorruptible and unable to die in the flesh. Through Baptism, Christ's flesh now can become glorified and transfigured by death and in descending He destroyed death forever and through resurrection now transfiguration of the Christ, the Shared will of the Divine Spirit being is united as one in being, together with the Divine Being through resurrection into becoming the Body of God. Mary was also immortal and incorruptible and through Baptism, She wanted to be like Her Son to gloriously Transfigure. Christ Baptized His Mother for Her to become from immortal and incorruptible to gloriously transfigured, to be able to die in Her flesh to become from immortal and incorruptible able to transfigure becoming gloriously transfigured into The Image of God in Her Glorious Assumption. And the greatest born among men, St John the Baptist, who Baptized the Christ and through the Baptism of John all beings become into the Body of Christ from The New Eve, Mary, through the immaculate conception became the Christ as transformed, by Virgin Birth, born immortal and incorruptible. All mankind is created from Adam and Eve from the mortal and corruptible created beings of Adam and Eve, in spirit and flesh in the Bodies of mortality and corruptibility with a choice for Divine eternity through His will.

I present in Logic, and the Story of The Christ, The Body of God is perhaps the greatest story ever told to explain eternity to all on earth. Are the names and stories and events exactly how it happened? To me, this is the logic that seems to coincide with Creation and transformation and transfiguration of the Body from Birth to death and resurrection to eternal life.

The question to me is in the "Gift" of eternal life. How can the creator of the universe get "created" spirits, as "angels" to conform to His will to share in His Divinity? Perhaps, give the spirits flesh and choice in the Body, as "mankind" on earth.

To me this is the logic and it conforms directly to the Logic of The Catholic Faith. Ane we know one does not have to be Catholic to go to Heaven.

We all know Fiat is Latin for "Let it be in the control, in the will of the "One" in Power. This, to me is The Logic of the Power of the Divine, some say "Holy" Spirit Will of The Creator God, The Father.

The logic of Baptism for incorruptibility to the spirit through the flesh to the soul of the being as transformed into the New Eve, The Church. And Communion with Penance restores the sanctification regenerated in the spirit through the flesh to the soul of the being. Through the Baptism of John at the Jordan river, new beings in the Body of Christ become from mortal and corruptible as sanctified in the spirit through the flesh to the soul of the being through who some refer to as the New Adam, the sanctified being accepted into the Body of The Christ like Jesus. Sanctification can be lost through choice by sin in the spirit of mortal beings through choice. Re-sanctification of the spirit through the flesh of the being is re-sanctified and reconfirmed in Communion and Penance. The "Real Intelligence" order of infallible logic is restored by regeneration of the Will of God, to the spirit of the being through the flesh in Communion and Penance. We are able, like Christ as now re-sanctified in the spirit through the flesh in the regeneration or "re-imaging" of the "RI" real intelligence of the Spirit Will of The Creator to the soul of the being and able to become from transformed immortal and incorruptible at Baptism to manifest as transfigured as confirmed and through Communion and Penance becoming regenerated into the image as reconfirmed into the Divine Spirit Will becoming again re-sanctified to gloriously transfigure into the image of the Creator God as United in One Being.

To me, this is "The Logic of The Fiat Power of fulfilled Faith and Morality of the Universe in the mind of the Creator of The Spirit Will of God, The Father."

The Logic of the Second Coming of the Christ in us is becoming "first" sanctified in the Body through Baptism, immortal and incorruptible and "second" "becoming" again re-sanctified through Communion and Penance re-sanctified and confirmed in the being as to become "Glorified" to transfigure becoming into His image.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew