The Health Care Bill Passes!

[Valjean]

Standing Alone just reminded me offline about the "death panels" that will come about because of this legislation. Guess we can all sit around and worry about that if we want. :biglaugh:

Yes, the real "death panels" -- coverage caps, insurance denial, policy cancellation upon claims. coverage denial for Dr. ordered treatments and tests, &c, are very worrying.
The "death panels" the Republicans railed against as a propaganda point -- living wills, medical power of attourney and advance directives -- are long established policies everyone encounters on admission to hospital.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I already have an operation scheduled for later this year in India. I already sent the check.

Do they do sexual reassignment surgery in New Dehli?


Just kidding, Rick.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is nothing wild about it. I do not have the extra money. If it costs a hundred bucks it might as well cost ten-thousand. I do not have extra money for this scam at this time, nor should I be forced to participate in the support of this even if I did have the money.

I don't believe you.

Draka was right in the other thread: you've gone on about how much you spend on incense before, and the fact you post here at all implies that you've got a computer and an internet connection.

And aren't you a trucker owner-operator? If you can barely make ends meet now, what will you do when the price of diesel goes up a few cents?

 

[Buttercup]

Yes, the real "death panels" -- coverage caps, insurance denial, policy cancellation upon claims. coverage denial for Dr. ordered treatments and tests, &c, are very worrying.
The "death panels" the Republicans railed against as a propaganda point -- living wills, medical power of attourney and advance directives -- are long established policies everyone encounters on admission to hospital.

And...many of these practices should be abolished under the new legislation if it plays out as written.

 

[Walkntune]

I believe the bottom line is it's a choice for someone to become a doctor and not a right of other citizens.Although I want everyone to be able to afford healthcare and to find an appropriate solution having the government step in our rights is not the answer and will only be the beginning.To have health care is a great benefit but its no more of a right then it is that you force someone to become a doctor so people can have that right.
Why could they not just beef up medicaid instead of taking over all of healthcare? I believe the political reasons will come out in 2014 when the bill takes affect right after re-election time. What a coincidence huh?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Do they do sexual reassignment surgery in New Dehli?


Just kidding, Rick.

No, but you should see their enhancement program.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I believe the bottom line is it's a choice for someone to become a doctor and not a right of other citizens.Although I want everyone to be able to afford healthcare and to find an appropriate solution having the government step in our rights is not the answer and will only be the beginning.To have health care is a great benefit but its no more of a right then it is that you force someone to become a doctor so people can have that right.
Why could they not just beef up medicaid instead of taking over all of healthcare? I believe the political reasons will come out in 2014 when the bill takes affect right after re-election time. What a coincidence huh?

I would ask you a question in response to this post, Walker. Why do you think that the Republican contingent in Congress just completely walked away from the process? Why didn't they participate, in an attempt to influence some of the issues that you have?

They took an "all or nothing" approach, rather than participate. Do you see them as culpable (in any way) for this piece of legislation that you dislike?

 

[Walkntune]

Maybe they wanted their hands in on the piece of pie without being responsible???
I don't really know?
I don't understand what they were supposed to do. They were against the bill.
Thats what they had all or nothing??

 

[Magic Man]

I'm having robotic surgery this fall. So to answer your question, yes it is cheaper. I do not have the right to sue for malpractice. I voluntarily waived that right and pre-paid my expenses at a considerable discount.

The problem is your connection between the two things. First, this means that anything could happen during the surgery. You could die. And you and your family have nothing to do but say "Oh well". Second, this has been discussed numerous times. This surgery is not half the price there simply because you can't sue them. It might take $1,000 off the price, but the other $16,000 that disappears is about the way they handle healthcare.

So, essentially, you don't like the American system, but you don't want to change it to make it better. That makes sense.

I choose what I get and when, not the insurance companies. I could go to the VA, but I truly believe I would be dead if I depended on them for my care.

That's great. I'm happy you get to do that. I'm glad you have the money to bypass health insurance. Most people don't. Most people have to abide by what the insurance company says, assuming the company will even cover them.

And you can believe whatever you want about the VA; that doesn't mean it's true.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I believe the bottom line is it's a choice for someone to become a doctor and not a right of other citizens.Although I want everyone to be able to afford healthcare and to find an appropriate solution having the government step in our rights is not the answer and will only be the beginning.To have health care is a great benefit but its no more of a right then it is that you force someone to become a doctor so people can have that right.
Why could they not just beef up medicaid instead of taking over all of healthcare? I believe the political reasons will come out in 2014 when the bill takes affect right after re-election time. What a coincidence huh?

well healthcare is a right in pretty much every other industrial nation on the planet

I guess americans think death is more of a right than life....

:sarcastic "let them eat cake"

 

[Mr Cheese]

So, essentially, you don't like the American system, but you don't want to change it to make it better. That makes sense.

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Isnt that the republican way of doing most things?

 

[Magic Man]

Isnt that the republican way of doing most things?

Now that you mention it, I guess it is.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I find it amazing that the same people who speak so loudly for the right to life for a fetus will not fight for the rights of a child or adult to have an equal opportunity to life irregardless of financial standing.

 

[Sunstone]

I find it amazing that the same people who speak so loudly for the right to life for a fetus will not fight for the rights of a child or adult to have an equal opportunity to life irregardless of financial standing.

I figure that's becuase so many people who speak so loudly for the right to life of a fetus are merely raising the issue in order to control the sexuality of women and not because they genuinely care about the fetus.

 

[Gunfingers]

I figure that's becuase so many people who speak so loudly for the right to life of a fetus are merely raising the issue in order to control the sexuality of women and not because they genuinely care about the fetus.

I've worked with a lot of pro-lifers. They're nuts, but they're not trying to bring back victorian era women's rights. Mid 20th century era women's rights at worst.

 

[Sunstone]

I've worked with a lot of pro-lifers. They're nuts, but they're not trying to bring back victorian era women's rights. Mid 20th century era women's rights at worst.

Obviously, our experiences of pro-lifers have been different. But where did I say that they were trying to bring back Victorian era women's rights?

 

[Gunfingers]

Obviously, our experiences of pro-lifers have been different. But where did I say that they were trying to bring back Victorian era women's rights?

You said they wanted to control sexuality, and repressed sexuality was a hallmark of that era. I picked a different phrasing. Turns out there's other words in the Enlish language than the ones you used.

 

[Sunstone]

You said they wanted to control sexuality, and repressed sexuality was a hallmark of that era. I picked a different phrasing. Turns out there's other words in the Enlish language than the ones you used.

I think I know the meaning I intended. And I believe you have given a different meaning to my words than I intended. Enough said.

 

[linwood]

I've wondered about this, too. The health care bill that was just passed has gone through the ringer in terms of bi-partisan debate.

That`s why I think it`s mediocre legislation.

Kinda ironic that they watered it down so much to appease the GOP and then had to ram it through on pure majority numbers alone anyway.

In hindsight an argument could be made that it was watered down for nothing.
They should have tried to ram a public option through anyway.

Spinkles, please double check but I have read at more than one news source that the article (in the bill) which allows a kid to stay on his parents coverage is to go into effect immediately AND the cut off isn`t 26 it`s THROUGH 26 so the cut off would be your 27th B-Day.

Again, please double check but just FYI.

 

[DallasApple]

Im just wondering..a bunch of stuff but one of them is on the pre-existing.This coud have already been covered so excuse me if so but ..On the issue of pre-existing..If the insurance companies can not "deny" coverage for someone with say for instance diabetes..whats stopping them from saying..Sure we will cover you..and your premiums will be $1500 a month with a 10,000 deductable?

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