The immigrant round up has begun.

[psychoslice]

For a dumb man I hear he did pretty well at Harvard.

Well he certainly wasn't good at being a president lol.

 

[psychoslice]

 

[Valjean]

Well he certainly wasn't good at being a president lol.

You don't think the caucus room conspiracy or the Koch brother's retreat a month or so later had anything to do with this?

 

[roger1440]

Gay was the new black, and now immigrates are the new gay. America loves to collect groups of people to hate. They can pretend it is about the laws all they want, but when you are deporting people that have lived here peacefully for 15+ years, people that have a family, it is really about keeping America white.

I have two very simple questions for you. If what you are saying is true, how is it no one complains about legal immigrants? The other question is, should anything at all be done with illegal immigrants? Logic would dictate if nothing at all should be done with illegal immigration into the United States then the immigration office serves no purpose.

 

[esmith]

Yup. Pot is also illegal, but very widely used. It isn't grasping at straws walls because as long as you have "law and punishment" there will always be criminals. And no matter the deterrence, there has always been crime.

I don't think you mean what you wrote, but I could be wrong. Yes, there will always be criminals, however don't you think that we should do everything within the legal bounds of the law to reduce criminal activity and punish those that violate the law?

Could it possibly be that other places don't cover it because they know the cartel is already underneath them. You build a wall, they'll build a catapult on it. Their tunnels should be common knowledge, and the network is extensive as it already is. And, of course, not even the threat of death made the Berlin Wall impenetrable, and neither was the Great Wall. There is absolutely nothing within reason that you can change about a wall to make it work any better, and history shows border walls just do not work. Really, it's going to keep those who give more than they take out, and it's going to give an opportunity for the cartels to dig tunnels and charge a "toll" for passage.

Maybe you should read the articles before you make an assumption. Ever been to the Yuma area?. I have and have talked to numerous border agents, they say the fence is working, but it is not 100% effective. They still rescue illegals who attempt to cross and succumb to a lack of water, find dead ones floating in the canals. But the fence works. Before you pass judgement get the facts, v

I know he did. If you get caught, you get caught. However, the crucial difference is, factually, Trump took things in a different direction by diliberately targeting those who have no/minor criminal records. And really it's just not a good policy to do. They cause very little crime overall, they give back to us so much more than they take, and they keep food prices down. Literally, they aren't well liked, they are very exploited, and yet they're still here. So what if they don't pay taxes into FICA and Medicaid? They don't draw it anyways.

Then if the Obama wasn't targeting aliens with no or minor criminal record, why were over 100,000 to 200,000 a year being deported.?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think you mean what you wrote, but I could be wrong. Yes, there will always be criminals, however don't you think that we should do everything within the legal bounds of the law to reduce criminal activity and punish those that violate the law?

Yes, we should. However, it is painfully rare that the "path of easiest resistance" works.

Maybe you should read the articles before you make an assumption.

I make no assumptions: At best, it's keeping people crossing the boarder out of Yuma, and there is just no feasible way to replicate that system along the entire border. Not unless you want to see a ton of money that could be housing veterans being wasted. And, as mentioned in the article, the "wrong sorts" of people are making tons of money from it. If anything, we need policy that financially starves them because they are the ones we actually do have to worry about. And if we choke as many of their sources of income as possible, it will weaken them.
Really, it's a question of do you want to spend money or make and save money? Illegal immigrants have the numbers to back up that they are one of the least problematic groups here, and as a group they give back to us far more than they take.

Then if the Obama wasn't targeting aliens with no or minor criminal record, why were over 100,000 to 200,000 a year being deported.?

They were found by other means. I don't know those exact means, but you don't have to in order to know he didn't deliberately go after them or to know that isn't the only way for them to be brought in. Basically, Obama said "go after group a, and focus on group a, not group b." Trump said "go after group a and b."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

how is it no one complains about legal immigrants?

I assure you, there is no shortage of people who complain about immigrants, especially if they aren't white. They were a voting block for the president.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I believe Obama let many people into the country that should have never been allowed, he was an idiot, and yes Trump will get rid of all those that were allowed in by stupid Obama, just drop the violins for awhile and start to think, you might learn something.

According to the law, they shouldn't be here, but in reality it benefits America to have them here.

 

[esmith]

I make no assumptions: At best, it's keeping people crossing the boarder out of Yuma, and there is just no feasible way to replicate that system along the entire border. Not unless you want to see a ton of money that could be housing veterans being wasted. And, as mentioned in the article, the "wrong sorts" of people are making tons of money from it. If anything, we need policy that financially starves them because they are the ones we actually do have to worry about. And if we choke as many of their sources of income as possible, it will weaken them.
Really, it's a question of do you want to spend money or make and save money? Illegal immigrants have the numbers to back up that they are one of the least problematic groups here, and as a group they give back to us far more than they take.

No the fence in the Yuma area is not to just keep illegals out of Yuma. You really do not seem to have a grasp on that project. FYI the majority of the fence in just across the state line into CA
Who said we have to replicate it along the entire border. As a matter of fact it has been stated that a physical barrier is not feasible or desired along the entire border. I keep hearing and reading about the misconception of those that are opposed to a deterrent to illegal immigration. Seems that they read and parrot the talking points word for word. Any of them have a mind of their own?

They were found by other means. I don't know those exact means, but you don't have to in order to know he didn't deliberately go after them or to know that isn't the only way for them to be brought in. Basically, Obama said "go after group a, and focus on group a, not group b." Trump said "go after group a and b."

You are making an assumption, you have no proof that the Obama did not order the apprehension and deportation of illegals with no or minor criminal record do you.

 

[esmith]

According to the law, they shouldn't be here, but in reality it benefits America to have them here.

what benefit do we derive from them being here? try and be specific and not just generalize.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

what benefit do we derive from them being here? try and be specific and not just generalize.

One of the big ones is they help keep our food prices low because so many of them work agriculture for such low wages. They pay excise and sales taxes, and they'll never draw social security or a number of other welfare benefits. And their also likely to keep a low profile anyways and really cause much trouble. And they take the jobs we don't want.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who said we have to replicate it along the entire border.

Without the surveillance being at least very adequate there is no possible way for such a thing to work. There is no feasible way to do this for the entire border.

No the fence in the Yuma area is not to just keep illegals out of Yuma.

Of course that is not the only purpose, but all it did was move it from one place to another. Do it for the whole the border, and you'll just send more of it underground. We need solutions that actually work, not the oft tried and always failed wall.

Seems that they read and parrot the talking points word for word. Any of them have a mind of their own?

Well, considering you are the one who has a habit of posting politically biased sources, it would seem you are the one doing the parroting and lacking your own mind.

 

[metis]

And those who watch Fox and listen to Limbaugh really don't want the news.

 

[roger1440]

One of the big ones is they help keep our food prices low because so many of them work agriculture for such low wages. They pay excise and sales taxes, and they'll never draw social security or a number of other welfare benefits. And their also likely to keep a low profile anyways and really cause much trouble. And they take the jobs we don't want.

Gee man, you just justify slavery.

 

[esmith]

One of the big ones is they help keep our food prices low because so many of them work agriculture for such low wages. They pay excise and sales taxes, and they'll never draw social security or a number of other welfare benefits. And their also likely to keep a low profile anyways and really cause much trouble. And they take the jobs we don't want.

So you are saying that the illegals work for a lower wage than others. That sure doesn't sound like it is beneficial to those that are here legally that have to compete with illegals.
Then you say they take the jobs that "we" don't want. So, why don't we give those "we's" a choice. If you are on welfare and capable of working you have a choice. Take the jobs that the illegals are doing or you are off welfare. That would fix two problems.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Gee man, you just justify slavery.

No, I just realize the subject is way more complicated than what a rigid "black and white" allow for.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That sure doesn't sound like it is beneficial to those that are here legally that have to compete with illegals.

Then why not go after employers? They are the ones doing the hiring, and if one illegal immigrant is deported there will be another to step in. Take out the one hiring them, and there's nothing to step in to. Plus it's way cheaper than a wall.

 

[esmith]

Then why not go after employers? They are the ones doing the hiring, and if one illegal immigrant is deported there will be another to step in. Take out the one hiring them, and there's nothing to step in to. Plus it's way cheaper than a wall.

Do both punish employers and stop illegal immigration. Illegal's are not beneficial to the country no matter what you may think.

 

[metis]

Then why not go after employers? They are the ones doing the hiring, and if one illegal immigrant is deported there will be another to step in. Take out the one hiring them, and there's nothing to step in to. Plus it's way cheaper than a wall.

And that's much more the rather obvious solution because of E-Verify. But along with that, there needs to be some very stiff penalties for an employer violating the law, and I'm not just talking about fines.

Question: So, why don't they do this? Answer: $

 

[psychoslice]

You don't think the caucus room conspiracy or the Koch brother's retreat a month or so later had anything to do with this?

I don't know.