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The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

MikeSavage

Active Member
I'm not sure why you're here to be honest. You seem intent on evangelising though.
Technically, evangelizing is attemptinig to bring someone to a religion. To talk them into it. I would never try to convinice someone. I state truths and if anyone chooses to embrace them, or to have the cojones enough to research the scriptures, and see if it's correct, then so much the better.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The scriptures were not written by Judaism. It didn't begin to exist until well after Christ's death. The writers of the Christian Greek scriptures, what you call the New Testament, were written mostly by Hebrews who embraced what Jesus taught (essentially Christianity). Judaism is yet another false religion, created by man. Your postulations again are completely false. Try making one that isn't false. It may actually approach something interesting, as you've failed to say anything of any interest yet.
Without Judaism though, there is no sinful nature to be inherited, there is no promised Messiah, there is no salvation.
There is but One true God the Almighty, not "my particular version".
When you go about saying everything and everyone else is wrong, even if you back it up with "this is the truth not because of what I say but because of what God says," is to promote your own particular views as correct while casting aside every body elses views as wrong. It doesn't matter who is saying they are right and who is allegedly wrong, this mentality of "I'm right, you're wrong," even against others that follow Christ, is one of the reasons I parted ways with that path.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
Without Judaism though, there is no sinful nature to be inherited, there is no promised Messiah, there is no salvation.

When you go about saying everything and everyone else is wrong, even if you back it up with "this is the truth not because of what I say but because of what God says," is to promote your own particular views as correct while casting aside every body elses views as wrong. It doesn't matter who is saying they are right and who is allegedly wrong, this mentality of "I'm right, you're wrong," even against others that follow Christ, is one of the reasons I parted ways with that path.
First of all, you tell a complete untruth by saying "without Judaism though, there is no sinful nature..." That is a complete lie. Without God maybe, but Judaism began LONG after Jesus was murdered by Israel.

Now, I never said everything and everyone else is wrong, I merely stated what is correct. I pointed out a couple lies and untruths, but I never typed those words. You read into what you read yourself. Promoting God's views is promoting my own? In the sense that I believe God, then maybe yes. But it sounds as though you are saying I am God, and I am not. Anyone having a view differing from the accurate scriptures, is taking the wrong path, the wide and spacious road, and passing right by the narrow gate that is difficult to go through. You read a lot into what others post, that they didn't say. You filter it through your skewed view of them and the world. Try just reading what is written instead.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Without God maybe, but Judaism began LONG after Jesus was murdered by Israel.
Judaism dates back to at least the Bronze Age. It's so old and so ancient it makes Christianity look like a toddler just learning to walk.
Now, I never said everything and everyone else is wrong, I merely stated what is correct. I pointed out a couple lies and untruths, but I never typed those words.
How can you not see your own words? You have said all churches, denominations, and so on are not correct (they are wrong) because of what scripture says (I am right, but anyone who differs isn't). You are promoting your own interpretation as the only correct one.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
Judaism dates back to at least the Bronze Age. It's so old and so ancient it makes Christianity look like a toddler just learning to walk.

How can you not see your own words? You have said all churches, denominations, and so on are not correct (they are wrong) because of what scripture says (I am right, but anyone who differs isn't). You are promoting your own interpretation as the only correct one.
Judaism is a man made religion that began AFTER the death of the Christ. Israel existed, but not their made up religion. they were to abide by the Law Covenant before the death of the Christ, but not after. To replace it, they invented "Judaism".
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Judaism is a man made religion that began AFTER the death of the Christ. Israel existed, but not their made up religion. they were to abide by the Law Covenant before the death of the Christ, but not after. To replace it, they invented "Judaism".
:facepalm:
This ignores pretty much every last bit of historical evidence that shows Judaism is very likely the oldest surviving monotheistic religion known to us.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
:facepalm:
This ignores pretty much every last bit of historical evidence that shows Judaism is very likely the oldest surviving monotheistic religion known to us.
Israel, under the Mosaic law, the Law Covenant with God, was not Judaism. Judaism is Israel, the Hebrews, attempting to ignore the Christian Greek (New Testament) scriptures, and Jesus. Instead of accepting the ending of the law covenant and instead of accepting the New Covenant that Jesus initiated before his death, they continued with the old covenant, and developed Judaism. Being a Jew, in of itself, is not a religion. But they continued what the scribes and Pharisees were doing at the time of Jesus' death. It became the Jewish Religion well after Jesus died. It's NOT the oldest monotheistic religion you claim it is.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
You may consider changing that. the benefits are uncountable.

Changing what? It wasnt as if I didnt give it a decent go. I was a christian for 11 years. If the guy existed, I wouldve found out by now. I found more benefit in leaving and ditching the guilt that was hammered into me by religious folk.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
You mean Christendom, not Christianity. Religions "claiming" to be Christian, are not, they are lying. No real Christian would ever be part of any sect/denomination of Christianity. They would only be part of the original.

Oh I see, so you have your own brand of christianity.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Back to homosexuality...

MikeSavage...if one was to take the bible literally one would not accept homosexuality. They would stone homosexuals. Jus saying.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
Changing what? It wasnt as if I didnt give it a decent go. I was a christian for 11 years. If the guy existed, I wouldve found out by now. I found more benefit in leaving and ditching the guilt that was hammered into me by religious folk.
I don't think you would have learned anything from false religion. I've told you several times that all religions claiming to be Christian are not Christian religions. No Christian religion exists. Christianity does though. Jesus called it the "one true faith". It was not a religion. Religion is the teaching/believing in things about God that differ from what God teaches about Himself. Religions all also teach things different from all other religions. Do you think that makes sense for them to do that? All 3 or 4 thousand of them teaching different things? If they were all about God, would they not all teach the SAME THINGS? But, they don't. Jesus taught the faith his Father sent him to teach, and to begin, not a religion, but faith in God and in Jesus, and Jesus sacrifice that we may have a chance at forgiveness and everlasting life. I understand that you've been involved in a "Christian" religion, at least they said they were Christian, but they were not. You said they hammered guilt into you. That's religion, that's not what God teaches through the Bible. Religion is in opposition to God, and God opposes religion.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
Back to homosexuality...

MikeSavage...if one was to take the bible literally one would not accept homosexuality. They would stone homosexuals. Jus saying.
If we lived before Jesus died, and the Law Covenant (the Mosaic Law) existed, then yes, homosexuals were to be stoned to death according to the law. That law covenant was eliminated when Jesus died, and the new covenant went into effect. A covenant is a contract. It's between mankind and God. God hates homosexual acts, but the person themselves, he loves. He wants all to attain to repentence and righteousness. It's your choice as to what you do, and being stoned to death is not in the picture any more. However, not doing the entire will of God, means no righteousness, and therefore no everlasting life. Doing His will means you will be able to inherit the Kingdom and it's benefits. Not doing His will means destruction. But God doesn't hate someone for being homosexual. He hates no one. I am sorry that you had the typical religious experience, but the Bible says that is what we are to expect. It says that Satan is misleading THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH, and he uses religion, false translations, advertising, peer pressure, the desires of the world, the lust for money, and many other things to deceive the world. Doing God's will eliminates that deception in that one's life. Another post of yours asks if I have my own brand of religion. No. I adhere to God's word, do His will, and reap the benefits now, and when armageddon is finished. I look forward to living in a paradise Earth forever, as God promises us.
 

McBell

Unbound
If we lived before Jesus died, and the Law Covenant (the Mosaic Law) existed, then yes, homosexuals were to be stoned to death according to the law. That law covenant was eliminated when Jesus died, and the new covenant went into effect. A covenant is a contract. It's between mankind and God. God hates homosexual acts, but the person themselves, he loves. He wants all to attain to repentence and righteousness. It's your choice as to what you do, and being stoned to death is not in the picture any more. However, not doing the entire will of God, means no righteousness, and therefore no everlasting life. Doing His will means you will be able to inherit the Kingdom and it's benefits. Not doing His will means destruction. But God doesn't hate someone for being homosexual. He hates no one. I am sorry that you had the typical religious experience, but the Bible says that is what we are to expect. It says that Satan is misleading THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH, and he uses religion, false translations, advertising, peer pressure, the desires of the world, the lust for money, and many other things to deceive the world. Doing God's will eliminates that deception in that one's life. Another post of yours asks if I have my own brand of religion. No. I adhere to God's word, do His will, and reap the benefits now, and when armageddon is finished. I look forward to living in a paradise Earth forever, as God promises us.

Sweet.
This means, since I did not make any agreement, that I am exempt from it.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
I don't think you would have learned anything from false religion. I've told you several times that all religions claiming to be Christian are not Christian religions. No Christian religion exists. Christianity does though. Jesus called it the "one true faith". It was not a religion. Religion is the teaching/believing in things about God that differ from what God teaches about Himself. Religions all also teach things different from all other religions. Do you think that makes sense for them to do that? All 3 or 4 thousand of them teaching different things? If they were all about God, would they not all teach the SAME THINGS? But, they don't. Jesus taught the faith his Father sent him to teach, and to begin, not a religion, but faith in God and in Jesus, and Jesus sacrifice that we may have a chance at forgiveness and everlasting life. I understand that you've been involved in a "Christian" religion, at least they said they were Christian, but they were not. You said they hammered guilt into you. That's religion, that's not what God teaches through the Bible. Religion is in opposition to God, and God opposes religion.

What makes you think you are qualified to say what is christian and not christian? Faith and religion are two seperate things.

What are you basing your definition of the word religion on? There are many different faiths and many differently religions that do and do not reflect the core teachings of various religions. You are only seeing things in the terms of christianity rather than looking at the big picture.

How do you know that the church, the teachings, and the people were christian? You cannot possibly know and it is not for you to decide what it is and isnt. By definition they were most certainly christian.

Please show me where god opposes religion.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
If we lived before Jesus died, and the Law Covenant (the Mosaic Law) existed, then yes, homosexuals were to be stoned to death according to the law. That law covenant was eliminated when Jesus died, and the new covenant went into effect. A covenant is a contract. It's between mankind and God. God hates homosexual acts, but the person themselves, he loves. He wants all to attain to repentence and righteousness. It's your choice as to what you do, and being stoned to death is not in the picture any more. However, not doing the entire will of God, means no righteousness, and therefore no everlasting life. Doing His will means you will be able to inherit the Kingdom and it's benefits. Not doing His will means destruction. But God doesn't hate someone for being homosexual. He hates no one. I am sorry that you had the typical religious experience, but the Bible says that is what we are to expect. It says that Satan is misleading THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH, and he uses religion, false translations, advertising, peer pressure, the desires of the world, the lust for money, and many other things to deceive the world. Doing God's will eliminates that deception in that one's life. Another post of yours asks if I have my own brand of religion. No. I adhere to God's word, do His will, and reap the benefits now, and when armageddon is finished. I look forward to living in a paradise Earth forever, as God promises us.

I don't recall reading this in the bible at all. And believe it or not, all sermons and studies were on the books of the bible. Go figure.

Also, I believe jesus said that all laws laid before him by god were still valid.
 

MikeSavage

Active Member
What makes you think you are qualified to say what is christian and not christian? Faith and religion are two seperate things.

What are you basing your definition of the word religion on? There are many different faiths and many differently religions that do and do not reflect the core teachings of various religions. You are only seeing things in the terms of christianity rather than looking at the big picture.

How do you know that the church, the teachings, and the people were christian? You cannot possibly know and it is not for you to decide what it is and isnt. By definition they were most certainly christian.

Please show me where god opposes religion.
I know these things, because the scriptures say what I've told you. It comes from the Bible, the inspired word of God. It isn't me who is deciding what is and isn't Christian, the Bible says so.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The scriptures were not written by Judaism.
Prove it.
It didn't begin to exist until well after Christ's death.
Prove it.
The writers of the Christian Greek scriptures, what you call the New Testament, were written mostly by Hebrews who embraced what Jesus taught (essentially Christianity).
And those writers constituted the religion we call "Christianity."
Judaism is yet another false religion, created by man.
Prove it.
Your postulations again are completely false.
Prove it.
you've failed to say anything of any interest yet.
Not my fault that you find the truth boring and beneath you.

You've stated a lot of unfounded opinion for which you have 0 proof, and for which you will never have any proof. Anyone with a brain stem can throw unfounded opinion around and claim "God told me so." Too bad you've nothing real to offer...
 
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