The Qur'aan Cosmological Model: A delineation of the Origin, Evolution and End of the Universe

[al-amiyr]

Except that modern science has for some time known that the universe is accelerating outward, and will continue to do so. There probably will not be a "big crunch" that your model is predicting.

Also, you have still yet to show me anything that has come out of the Quran, that has not been discovered in science first, and smashed into your contextual understanding after.

Can you not see that that is what I am doing. If you read past posts you would have seen how I answered your question. Your religion is going to collapse in the presence of this knowledge.

 

[Photonic]

Can you not see that that is what I am doing. If you read past posts you would have seen how I answered your question. Your religion is going to collapse in the presence of this knowledge.

I look forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in all the sciences.

 

[al-amiyr]

I look forward to you winning the Nobel Prize in all the sciences.

That's why its not yet called the Noble Prize. They are waiting for the surprise.

 

[Falvlun]

If the Koran had all these answers, then why didn't the Muslims proclaim this scientific knowledge 1500 years ago? Now that would have been impressive.

As it is, it just seems to be a case of the ugly step-sisters trying to cram their feet into a glass slipper that just doesn't fit.

 

[al-amiyr]

If the Koran had all these answers, then why didn't the Muslims proclaim this scientific knowledge 1500 years ago? Now that would have been impressive.

As it is, it just seems to be a case of the ugly step-sisters trying to cram their feet into a glass slipper that just doesn't fit.

Because this knowledge was with my family for 1400 years. 43 generations of great learned men one son after the other all documented. Read what the prophet said about with whom he left the hidden book.Without this book the Qur'aan will not be understood. The world is arguing in vain. Muslims 100% included. Islaam does not exist in the world.Everything is going to shudder in the presence of this knowledge. Nothing can stand against. It is coming to the world complete The Cape of Good Hope in December 2012. Watch out. This is no nonsense.

 

[al-amiyr]

If the Koran had all these answers, then why didn't the Muslims proclaim this scientific knowledge 1500 years ago? Now that would have been impressive.

Just be patient and then you will understand. Don't just read the thread but study it so that you can be part of the great debate. The Qur'aan Cosmological Model is vast and vaster. General Relativity is a successful Synopsis of Unified Varied Interpretations which turned the mind of Einstein up-side-down and inside-out. In other words he did not know which part of his theory was right. Do not give credit where credit is not due. It has now become a good pocket bible for Atheists. But not for very long.

 

[Lady B]

Because this knowledge was with my family for 1400 years. 43 generations of great learned men one son after the other all documented. Read what the prophet said about with whom he left the hidden book.Without this book the Qur'aan will not be understood. The world is arguing in vain. Muslims 100% included. Islaam does not exist in the world.Everything is going to shudder in the presence of this knowledge. Nothing can stand against. It is coming to the world complete The Cape of Good Hope in December 2012. Watch out. This is no nonsense.

can i have your autograph?:bow:
seriously I am trying to keep up here, but I am lost ,I just don't see how this all fits together.... So what exactly will happen in 3 months time? are you saying your family has the "lost book"?

 

[al-amiyr]

seriously I am trying to keep up here, but I am lost ,

Explain! Just keep to the subject of the thread.The Qur'aan Cosmological Model: A delineation of the Origin, Evolution and End of the Universe
Tell me where you are lost and I will guide you...post by post. If you do not keep pace you will become lost.

 

[England my lionheart]

Just be patient and then you will understand. Don't just read the thread but study it so that you can be part of the great debate. The Qur'aan Cosmological Model is vast and vaster. General Relativity is a successful Synopsis of Unified Varied Interpretations which turned the mind of Einstein up-side-down and inside-out. In other words he did not know which part of his theory was right. Do not give credit where credit is not due. It has now become a good pocket bible for Atheists. But not for very long.

Promises promises,i wonder why Muhammed didn't bother mentioning the cosmoligical model to the Quaraish (spl).

 

[FearGod]

If the Koran had all these answers, then why didn't the Muslims proclaim this scientific knowledge 1500 years ago? Now that would have been impressive.

As it is, it just seems to be a case of the ugly step-sisters trying to cram their feet into a glass slipper that just doesn't fit.

Actually before 1400 years nothing will be understood without scientific evidence,so eventhough that the quran mentioned such facts,but no one will believe that such universe started from one point.

So let us say that the theory was there in the quran before 1400 years,but no one can claim it to be true,because simply there should be a sientific evidence which is available now to confirm what have been said in the quran.

But when he brought them Our signs, lo, they laughed at them. (43:47)

We shall show them Our signs in the horizons and in themselves, till it is clear to them that it is the truth. Suffices it not as to thy Lord, that He is witness over everything? (41:53)

And those who strive against Our signs to void them - those shall be arraigned into the chastisement. (34:38)

And those who strive against Our signs to void them -- they shall be the inhabitants of Hell. (22:51)

And those who cry lies to Our signs We will draw them on little by little whence they know not; (7:182)

Good Luck .

 

[JustWondering]

But when he brought them Our signs, lo, they laughed at them. (43:47)

We shall show them Our signs in the horizons and in themselves, till it is clear to them that it is the truth. Suffices it not as to thy Lord, that He is witness over everything? (41:53)

And those who strive against Our signs to void them - those shall be arraigned into the chastisement. (34:38)

And those who strive against Our signs to void them -- they shall be the inhabitants of Hell. (22:51)

And those who cry lies to Our signs We will draw them on little by little whence they know not; (7:182)

So skeptics are bad people who deserve punishment? God only wants blindly faithful sheep? If people are just supposed to believe without evidence or even a good arguement to support their beliefs they can end up believing in any ridiculous thing. People don't reject your "signs" and "evidence" because they hate god, or are bad people. They reject such claims simply because they are unconvincing.

 

[al-amiyr]

Promises promises,i wonder why Muhammed didn't bother mentioning the cosmoligical model to the Quaraish (spl).

Here is The Great Quraysh Family of The Prophet with whom He left The Hidden Book. Many of whom were killed, beheaded and crucified.
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son of​

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alaa-ud-diyn -> muhammad <- effendi al-kaabiy al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1286 - 1375 ) / ( 1870 - 1956 )​

son of​

1​

shaykh-ul-ilm shaykhu-l-islaam -> abd-ullaah abuw-bakr <- effendi​

al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )​

son of​

1​

mullaa -> umr <- effendi al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1192 - 1247 ) / ( 1778 - 1831 )​

son of​

1​

Salaah-ud-diyn mullaa -> muSTafaa <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1157 - 1224 ) / ( 1744 - 1809 )​

son of​

1​

mawlanaa baabaa piyr -> sulaymaan <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-'amjadiy​

( 1136 - 1199 ) / ( 1723 - 1785 )​

son of​

1​

mullaa -> muSTafaa <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - 1167 ) / ( - 1754 )​

son of​

mullaa -> ibraahiym <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - 1152 ) / ( - 1739 )​

son of​

1​

amiyr -> sulaymaan<- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1068 - 1130 ) / ( 1657- 1718 )​

son of​

1​

amiyr -> muhammad <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1045- 1110 ) / ( 1635 - 1698 )​

son of​

1​

aDaD-ud-diyn -> abd-ullaah abiy-zayd -><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 1012 - 1077 ) / ( 1603 - 1666 )​

son of​

1​

izz-ud-diyn -> muhammad al-faDlu qaddasa sirrahu <-al_khushnaawiy al_qurashiy al_'amjadiy​

( 976 - 1039 ) / ( 1568 - 1629 )​

son of​

1​

amiyr -> abd-ullaah <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 937 - 1003 ) / ( 1530 - 1594 )​

son of​

1​

zayn-ud-diyn mullaa -> ahmad <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 900 - 967 ) / ( 1494 - 1559 )​

son of​

1​

mullaa abd- ul- haq -> sulaymaan <- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 871 - 929 ) / ( 1466 - 1523 )​

son of​

1​

abu-sulaymaan -><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( 841 - 882 ) / ( 1437 - 1477 )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb DhuHuwr-ud-diyn-><- al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - c.850 ) / ( ???? - c.1446 )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-muHaymin -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ur-razzaaq -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-us-samiy -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-u llaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-waliyy -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( ???? - ???? ) / ( ???? - ???? )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb buTuwn-ud-diyn -><- <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( c.541 - ???? ) / (c.1146 - ???? )​

son of​

1​

abuw-l-muhsin mullaa -> uthmaan haamid <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( c. 483 - c.555 ) / (c. 1090 - c.1160 )​

son of​

1​

abuw-naSr al-amiyr -> sulaymaan <-al-ghaaziy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( c. 459 - c.528 ) / ( c.1057 - c.1134 )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb iyqaaDh-ud-diyn -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-hakiym -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah -><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-baSiyr-><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ullaah-><-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-khabiyr-> <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Saahibu-l- ghayb abd-ul-baatin -> <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

mawlanaa -> ahmad al-khafiy<-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

abd-ul-majiyd -> muhammad abd-ullaah <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

abd-u-l-hamiyd al-khalaf-> abuw abd-ullaah'ahmad al-mukhtafiy <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

(157 - ????) / (773 -???? )​

son of​

1​

abd-uS-Samad as-salaf-> iysaa<- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

(???? -166 ) / (???? -783)​

son of​

1​

'amiyr-ul-mujaahidiyn haliyfu-l-qur'aan -> zaydu-al-shahiyd <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

'amiyr-uS-Saabiriyn zaynu-l-aabidiyn -> aliy as-sajjaad <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

amiyr-ush-shuhadaa imaam -> husayn <- al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

khaliyfatullaah amiyr-ul-mu’miniyn -> aliy <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy cousin of the Prophet (S+) and married to his daughter FaaTimah
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( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

abuw Taalib -> imraan <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

abd-l-muTTalib ->shayba <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

( - ) / ( - )​

son of​

1​

Haashim -> amru-l-ulaa <-al-qurashiy al-amjadiy​

Just ask if you need more info. Watch this thread! Its coming!

 

[FearGod]

So skeptics are bad people who deserve punishment? God only wants blindly faithful sheep? If people are just supposed to believe without evidence or even a good arguement to support their beliefs they can end up believing in any ridiculous thing. People don't reject your "signs" and "evidence" because they hate god, or are bad people. They reject such claims simply because they are unconvincing.

People are free to believe or disbelieve,there is no blind faith.

God show his signs and who rejected them while they are as clear as the sun,then they rejected the truth and deserve god's anger and punishment.

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (2:256)

 

[England my lionheart]

Just ask if you need more info. Watch this thread! Its coming!

Far out,i'm waiting with baited breath.

 

[Lady B]

Explain! Just keep to the subject of the thread.The Qur'aan Cosmological Model: A delineation of the Origin, Evolution and End of the Universe
Tell me where you are lost and I will guide you...post by post. If you do not keep pace you will become lost.

Well maybe I am not intellectual enough to really comprehend you, but so far you have shown me Arabic/Hebrew similarities, some Quoranic words I can't quite grasp, cosmo models I don't really get and now a lineage I presume is leading to your family? And last but not least a doomsday prophesy for December 2012.Did I miss anything? Its difficult to keep up on 3 threads you know! No pressure I know your working hard and I respect your intentions, I just feel I am not seeing what you are striving for us to see.....

 

[al-amiyr]

Well maybe I am not intellectual enough to really comprehend you, but so far you have shown me Arabic/Hebrew similarities, some Quoranic words I can't quite grasp, cosmo models I don't really get and now a lineage I presume is leading to your family? And last but not least a doomsday prophesy for December 2012.Did I miss anything? Its difficult to keep up on 3 threads you know! No pressure I know your working hard and I respect your intentions, I just feel I am not seeing what you are striving for us to see.....

I did not make any doomsday prophecy! Don't worry once I put everything together you will fully understand. Just go over this thread slowly. Take notes as you go along. Do not be left out.Be always vigilant for you do not know at which hour he will come.

 

[Lady B]

I did not make any doomsday prophecy! Don't worry once I put everything together you will fully understand. Just go over this thread slowly. Take notes as you go along. Do not be left out.Be always vigilant for you do not know at which hour he will come.

Now you sound like a Christian lol

 

[al-amiyr]

Now you sound like a Christian lol

Wait until I get to the Gospel!

 

[Lady B]

Wait until I get to the Gospel!

Oh slay me now

 

[al-amiyr]

Now you sound like a Christian lol

John 21:25
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Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.