The Return of Christ

[Revoltingest]

This question is for non-believers of the Christian faith. All Christians believe that Christ will return. When you hear them say this what do you think it really means?

They believe he'll come back.
And then they'll get their way.

 

[CG Didymus]

I see this is a result of the rejection of Baha’u’llah, 1st Thess. 5:2-3 is events such as the League of Nations and the United Nations, which were not founded on the requirements set out by Baha'u'llah.

We are in that Tribulation and I would see that it is fast approaching a climax.

Regards Tony

What I recall from Christians is that the tribulation happens prior to Jesus coming. So, which verses do Baha'is use to have the tribulation happen after the return of Christ?

 

[CG Didymus]

Both these are fulfilled.

Go ahead explain the Baha'i interpretation and when and how this was fulfilled?

There is no Baha'i Interpretation CG. There will be individual opinions.

So, that means the interpretation you gave is your own opinion? The problem with that is... how do you know those prophecies were fulfilled? You don't. It's just in your opinion they've been fulfilled?

 

[England my lionheart]

This question is for non-believers of the Christian faith. All Christians believe that Christ will return. When you hear them say this what do you think it really means?

For me it means Jesus casually walking the earth stopping murders and injustices before they happen and explain why they were going to happen.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What I recall from Christians is that the tribulation happens prior to Jesus coming. So, which verses do Baha'is use to have the tribulation happen after the return of Christ?

It happens as God so chooses CG, we can expect the event any way we choose to, over what actually happens/happened.

That is the history of faith verse unbelievers.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, that means the interpretation you gave is your own opinion? The problem with that is... how do you know those prophecies were fulfilled? You don't. It's just in your opinion they've been fulfilled?

Well, thanks for giving your thoughts and interpretations. But for me nothing is fulfilled until peace is established. Maybe it's through the teachings of Baha'u'llah. Maybe it's through Jesus coming back. But, going by what has happened in the past with new religions,, things just keep going with some good and bad from the new religion.

But the ultimate promises never get fulfilled, so the believers redefine the promises and say, "some day" peace will come or, as the Christians say, "Someday Jesus will come." And they usually add that it will be soon. And considering how the world is going, it could be soon.

You answered that question in your reply to the post where I offered it was my opinion.

How do I know the Prophecies were fulfilled? I read of both of the Messengers, and what the Bab and Baha’u’llah offered. Thus it is not my opinion, it is my acceptance of what they offered.

You get exactly the same chance CG as I also had. We get to search or not to search, to make a decision or not make a decision, either way there is no excuse available as to why we would not choose to look, once we have been informed.

Once I had been informed it took me about 2 months to look.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

For me it means Jesus casually walking the earth stopping murders and injustices before they happen and explain why they were going to happen.

What if that has already happened, yet we chose to ignore it? It would be logical the world today may reflect the results of such a decision, taken by the majority of humanity.

I assume you do not expect multiple Jesus figures doing that in every location on the planet, but as an individual to the disciples that will ultimately speard that Message?

That is a genuine honest response.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

What if that has already happened, yet we chose to ignore it? It would be logical the world today may reflect the results of such a decision, taken by the majority of humanity.

I assume you do not expect multiple Jesus figures doing that in every location on the planet, but as an individual to the disciples that will ultimately speard that Message?

That is a genuine honest response.

Regards Tony

Judging by the news it hasn’t happened.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Judging by the news it hasn’t happened.

When I watch the news, I see what has already been recorded, resulting from our own choices.

It is Judgement Day.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

When I watch the news, I see what has already been recorded, resulting from our own choices.

It is Judgement Day.

Regards Tony

Yes I agree,choices we make as for “judgement day” how many times we’ve heard that over the years.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes I agree,choices we make as for “judgement day” how many times we’ve heard that over the years.

The "day" as in judgement "day", is a dispensation. So judgement day for Christ was from the declaration of Jesus until the declaration of Muhammad. The judgement day of Muhammad was from the declaration of Muhammad until the declaration of the Bab and then Baha'u'llah.

Thus this Judgement day commenced in 1863. We are now in a judgement against our response to that message of unity and peace.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

The "day" as in judgement "day", is a dispensation. So judgement day for Christ was from the declaration of Jesus until the declaration of Muhammad. The judgement day of Muhammad was from the declaration of Muhammad until the declaration of the Bab and then Baha'u'llah.

Thus this Judgement day commenced in 1863. We are now in a judgement against our response to that message of unity and peace.

Regards Tony

Is he the last one or will there be more?,what happened to “don’t shoot me I’m only the messenger “?,how did that go for the Bab?.

Personally I have a problem with messengers,they are human after all and we know how unreliable they can be unless you can verify who they represent imo.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Is he the last one or will there be more?,what happened to “don’t shoot me I’m only the messenger “?,how did that go for the Bab?.

Personally I have a problem with messengers,they are human after all and we know how unreliable they can be unless you can verify who they represent imo.

There will be never ending Messengers sent to Humans, on this planet and all other planets that have "Humans". In this is context "Human" is the given capacity of a Rational Soul/Spirit/Mind.

The Messengers know what they will face, this is well documented. They are the example of total submission to the Message they are Annointed to give humanity.

They are born human, but they are more than the Human Spirit/Soul/Mind, they are born of the eternal all knowing Holy Spirit, their Mind is not connected to this world.

This is the offer Jesus makes, to be born from the mind attached to this world, into the eternal infinite mind. This is why Christ and all the Messengers cannot be killed, they are One and All the givers of the Infinite Spirit.

Wonderful topic and many tangents of discussion, these topics are what I see are true life, they lift us up beyond our own selves into a creation that has no limits, beyond the limits we attached to our own minds.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

They believe he'll come back.
And then they'll get their way.

I see it more a faith based expectation, and expectation that God will fulfil the given promisses and that God's Will, will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

That expectation can be cloud by personal interpretations as to how God will fulfil the promisses.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

There will be never ending Messengers sent to Humans, on this planet and all other planets that have "Humans". In this is context "Human" is the given capacity of a Rational Soul/Spirit/Mind.

Critical thinking would be good.

The Messengers know what they will face, this is well documented. They are the example of total submission to the Message they are Annointed to give humanity.

Is promoting slavery and torture something we should submit too?.

They are born human, but they are more than the Human Spirit/Soul/Mind, they are born of the eternal all knowing Holy Spirit, their Mind is not connected to this world.

Yep I get that,like reality.

This is the offer Jesus makes, to be born from the mind attached to this world, into the eternal infinite mind. This is why Christ and all the Messengers cannot be killed, they are One and All the givers of the Infinite Spirit.

Where are they then if they’re dead.

Wonderful topic and many tangents of discussion, these topics are what I see are true life, they lift us up beyond our own selves into a creation that has no limits, beyond the limits we attached to our own minds.

Regards Tony

Interesting in a scary way imo.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What I recall from Christians is that the tribulation happens prior to Jesus coming. So, which verses do Baha'is use to have the tribulation happen after the return of Christ?

Tribulation is just before return of Christ:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"


But "Punishment" which is the result of ignoring Baha'u'llah is, yet a greater punishment. It is where Jesus said, it will be like Days of Noah, when people did not listen to Noah, then, the flood came and took them all.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Is promoting slavery and torture something we should submit too?.

Slavery has been abolished.

"It is forbidden you to trade in slaves, be they men or women. It is not for him who is himself a servant to buy another of God's servants, and this hath been prohibited in His Holy Tablet. Thus, by His mercy, hath the commandment been recorded by the Pen of justice. Let no man exalt himself above another; all are but bondslaves before the Lord, and all exemplify the truth that there is none other God but Him. He, verily, is the All-Wise, Whose wisdom encompasseth all things." (Bahá'u'lláh, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, par. 72)

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Where are they then if they’re dead.

I could ask where are we, that we presume that we are alive, made of flesh that will perish.

Our Consciousness does not die, it takes on its true form when the flesh dies.

This is a great bounty given of God for all of the NDE experiences. They one and all know that death of the flesh is just a transition.

Dreams also assist in this realisation.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Interesting in a scary way imo.

This life is but the beginning of our consciousness, the fear must be healthy, it must inspire us to become better, more loving, more just, more compassionate, more truthful and trustworthy, more open to serving all of humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

Slavery has been abolished.

"It is forbidden you to trade in slaves, be they men or women. It is not for him who is himself a servant to buy another of God's servants, and this hath been prohibited in His Holy Tablet. Thus, by His mercy, hath the commandment been recorded by the Pen of justice. Let no man exalt himself above another; all are but bondslaves before the Lord, and all exemplify the truth that there is none other God but Him. He, verily, is the All-Wise, Whose wisdom encompasseth all things." (Bahá'u'lláh, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, par. 72)

Regards Tony

“The pen of justice”,who was holding the pen?,the human angle comes to mind.