The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots

[Subduction Zone]

I forgot you hate facts.

How is an opinion piece "facts"?

The additional voice that small states get is hardly even enough to sway an election. Especially since the small states never vote together. That is the only way that they could start to wield that power. The states that do have excessive power are the larger battleground states. Presidential candidates are going to spend more time and money in those states and make more promises for those states. I am in a very blue state. Before targeted ads became a thing we would get just as many political ads as anyone else during elections. Now we get almost nothing for Presidential races. Both sides know that they can save money by not advertising here. The same applies to very red states.

A national popular vote would mean that the Presidential candidates would have to listen to everyone and to try to appeal to everyone. If you think that they are going to spend much time in Wyoming, the state where individual voters have more power than anyone else in the country, you are crazy. Nor are they going to spend much time in Vermont or Alaska. A stop in Delaware or Rhode Island might make some sense. Those states are so small that people from other states would be likely to drive in. But of the bottom eight that would be about it.

 

[F1fan]

I forgot you hate facts.

Just falling back on the assumption that your right wing politics is correct, and don't even bother to argue, nor see the big picture. The EC ser ed a purpose at one time, long ago. Today we need basic democracy more than ever. Look how easily that system could be manipulated by the Trump-led fake elector scheme. A simple popular vote would be vastly more secure from fraud, and easier to calulate.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Why should a rural voter have greater individual voting power than any other citizen.?

 

[Laniakea]

Yawn. Same old right wing assertions. One person, one vote. The old reasons for the EC just don’t apply. A rural citizen has the same national interest as a city dweller.

National interests are not always a person's motive to vote.
Rural areas are where farmers conduct their business. Since there are fewer of them than city dwellers, should the city dwellers be able to vote their own interests disregarding those who provide the nation's food?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It is for democrats who want their large cities to decide the president. Its their way of insuring rural Americans have no voice. Without rural Americans, cities would have nothing.

"Rural America produces almost all our country’s food, as well as raw materials like metals, cotton and timber. Energy, fossil fuels but also alternatives like wind and solar come mostly from rural areas. In other words, the material inputs of modern life flow out of rural communities and into cities.

People are entitled to democratic rights, not "the material inputs of modern life."

 

[Laniakea]

People are entitled to democratic rights, not "the material inputs of modern life."

And they currently have the "democratic" right to vote. So what's the problem?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

National interests are not always a person's motive to vote.
Rural areas are where farmers conduct their business. Since there are fewer of them than city dwellers, should the city dwellers be able to vote their own interests disregarding those who provide the nation's food?

Democracy would suggest that the majority should prevail. No one is owed a free lunch.

However even a townie knows where his food comes from. And most by now know how it is produced and processed.
Without the agrochemical industry lobby, we might even have edible food that is good for us.
It is mostly the farming kind that adulterates and poisons the land and produce with chemicals. All for the sake of increased profits.

 

[F1fan]

And they currently have the "democratic" right to vote. So what's the problem?

Because for many citizens in about 45 states their votes don’t matter to electing the president.

 

[Laniakea]

Democracy would suggest that the majority should prevail. No one is owed a free lunch.

However even a townie knows where his food comes from. And most by now know how it is produced and processed.
Without the agrochemical industry lobby, we might even have edible food that is good for us.
It is mostly the farming kind that adulterates and poisons the land and produce with chemicals. All for the sake of increased profits.

The "farming kind" is where the real food comes from. Meat, potatoes, vegetables, etc.
The stuff you're talking about that's made from unpronounceable chemicals is the stuff best avoided.

 

[Laniakea]

Because for many citizens in about 45 states their votes don’t matter to electing the president.

All states have an electoral college vote count.

 

[F1fan]

All states have an electoral college vote count.

Which doesn’t serve democracy. Look at how Trump and his co-conspirators tried to swindle that system, and created fake electors in 5 states that Trump lost. Many of these people have been indicted. Including Trump.

He is disturbed and corrupt. Americans who value democracy deserve better. The majority have rejected Trump twice, but he could still be elected despite the majority of voters rejecting him.

 

[Laniakea]

Which doesn’t serve democracy. Look at how Trump and his co-conspirators tried to swindle that system, and created fake electors in 5 states that Trump lost. Many of these people have been indicted. Including Trump.

He is disturbed and corrupt. Americans who value democracy deserve better. The majority have rejected Trump twice, but he could still be elected despite the majority of voters rejecting him.

If the electoral college system doesn't serve democracy, then how is it that people keep claiming that democracy was nearly overthrown on Jan. 6th regarding an election decided by the electoral college, hmmmm?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the electoral college system doesn't serve democracy, then how is it that people keep claiming that democracy was nearly overthrown on Jan. 6th regarding an election decided by the electoral college, hmmmm?

Because it was the electoral college that the attempted overthrow was based upon. How can you even try to debate this when you are as blind as bat about the facts that led up to those events. Do you not even remember the role that Mike Pence was supposed to play for Trump? Mike Pence is a bit of a hero because for the first time in four years he did something right.

 

[F1fan]

If the electoral college system doesn't serve democracy, then how is it that people keep claiming that democracy was nearly overthrown on Jan. 6th regarding an election decided by the electoral college, hmmmm?

Two separate questions.

First when the electoral College system does not reflect the popular vote democracy is not being served. Historically the EC vote is consistent with the popular vote so there is no reason to question it's purpose. Trump won the EC in 2016 but lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. Trump lost the EC in 2020 and lost the popular vote by 7 million votes. Trump could win the EC again but still not get the approval of he majority of voters. With his level of disturbed capacity he could do a great deal of harm.

Second, Biden won both the EC and popular vote so his win was a clear democratic decision. It's that Trump and his co-conspirators that tried to exploit state laws that govern the electoral college delegate assignments and overturn the results in 5 swing states that Trump lost. These states created fake electors, and evn tried to submit paverwork. There were two other states that did no fully commit but did get involved in the elelction fraud scheme.

 

[Laniakea]

Because it was the electoral college that the attempted overthrow was based upon. How can you even try to debate this when you are as blind as bat about the facts that led up to those events. Do you not even remember the role that Mike Pence was supposed to play for Trump? Mike Pence is a bit of a hero because for the first time in four years he did something right.

Oh, so it wasn't people with flagpoles, or those breaking windows, or setting up a fake gallows, or getting shot by black cops, or people taking selfies that resulted in the misinformation term "insurrection" being tossed around the past 2 years?
Then Joe Biden must be the one who actually did overthrow democracy by occupying the White House based on the results of the Electoral College.

 

[F1fan]

Because it was the electoral college that the attempted overthrow was based upon. How can you even try to debate this when you are as blind as bat about the facts that led up to those events. Do you not even remember the role that Mike Pence was supposed to play for Trump? Mike Pence is a bit of a hero because for the first time in four years he did something right.

The former Trump lawyer and co-conspirator lied about a Twitter account he had, and it was recently discovered. Chesebro might have his plea deal revoked and have to face trial. This reveals what the real criminal intent was behind the fake electors, and having pence not certify the votes.

Chesebro claimed to investigators he saw the alternate slates of Republican electors only as a contingency plan to have ready in case the Trump campaign won any of its more than 60 lawsuits challenging the election results — which it didn’t. He also told Michigan investigators that in his conversations with the Trump campaign, he made clear that “state legislatures have no power to override the courts.”​

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But just days after the 2020 election, BadgerPundit tweeted that the court battles didn’t matter and that Republican-controlled legislatures should send in their own GOP electors, predicting even then that then-Vice President Mike Pence could use them to throw the election to Trump.​

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“You don’t get the big picture. Trump doesn’t have to get courts to declare him the winner of the vote. He just needs to convince Republican legislatures that the election was systematically rigged, but it’s impossible to run it again, so they should appoint electors instead,” wrote BadgerPundit on November 7, 2020, the day multiple media outlets, including CNN, called the election for Joe Biden.​

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Yet in his interview with Michigan investigators, Chesebro said the very opposite, claiming that the entire electors plan was contingent on the courts.​

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“I saw no scenario where Pence could count any vote for any state because there hadn’t been a court or a legislature in any state backing any of the alternate electors,” Chesebro said.​

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/26/politics/kenneth-chesebro-secret-twitter-account-kfile/index.html

 

[F1fan]

Oh, so it wasn't people with flagpoles, or those breaking windows, or setting up a fake gallows, or getting shot by black cops, or people taking selfies that resulted in the misinformation term "insurrection" being tossed around the past 2 years?

It was those fools too, who believed Trump lies about election fraud. They got duped, and they broke laws of varying seriousness, and they got the jail sentences they deserved. About 1500 have been arrested, and there's about another 1000 being sought by volunteer investigators. This group has been massively successful in finding those who participated in the attack on the Capitol.

The purpose of that attack was to disrupt the counting of the votes, which by law HAD to be done that day. It was hoped that by stopipng the count the House of Representatives would have to take over and decide the election themselves. With a republican majority we can guess who would have been picked.

Then Joe Biden must be the one who actually did overthrow democracy by occupying the White House based on the results of the Electoral College.

Biden won both the EC and the popular vote. Trump lost both.

 

[Laniakea]

It was those fools too, who believed Trump lies about election fraud. They got duped, and they broke laws of varying seriousness, and they got the jail sentences they deserved. About 1500 have been arrested, and there's about another 1000 being sought by volunteer investigators. This group has been massively successful in finding those who participated in the attack on the Capitol.

Including journalists who were there doing their job, as it turns out.

The purpose of that attack was to disrupt the counting of the votes, which by law HAD to be done that day. It was hoped that by stopipng the count the House of Representatives would have to take over and decide the election themselves. With a republican majority we can guess who would have been picked.

Biden won both the EC and the popular vote. Trump lost both.

Then you condemn every election where the candidate won the election, but not the popular vote, correct?
Do you see those elections as insurrections as well?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Including journalists who were there doing their job, as it turns out.



Then you condemn every election where the candidate won the election, but not the popular vote, correct?
Do you see those elections as insurrections as well?

Why are you so desperately accusing others of what the cheaters in the Republican party attempted to do?

 

[Laniakea]

Why are you so desperately accusing others of what the cheaters in the Republican party attempted to do?

Where I ask a question, you see an accusation. Do you see your error now? It has been pointed out to you before, as you have already learned. Now, Are you ready to answer the question I asked you?