Migrants aren’t illegal. Your bias and ignorance is showing. I see conservatives routinely calling migrants illegal. It’s not true or ethical. It is demeaning and cruel. But that’s the point of modern conservatism.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
It's only demeaning because it brings to light the illegal activity they are involved in my illegally coming into this country.
If you would rather sugar-coat their illegal activity, that's up to you.
Truth matters (to those of us who care about that).
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Only to those with less than average intelligence and/or in denial. Its clear you didn't read the articles, but then you've repeatedly demonstrated you struggle to comprehend info, too.
Now, you were asked to prove it was fake. Do so.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Nope. Doesn't work that way. Not necessary to prove a negative.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Was he though? That is the claim. We really do not know anything about him besides the fact the he eventually went to work for an extreme right wing source. That does not make him guilty or innocent, but I think that you are likely to be jumping the gun. There may be a few arrests now and then for years to come as people are identified and charged. Don't worry, sooner or later they will hit the statute of limitations.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Fake is a state a being. You can prove a toy snake isn't real. You can prove a red stain isn't blood. Prove the noise was fake or you have no assertion.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You do not seem to understand that. You made a positive affirmation. You claimed that the gallows were fake. That does put a burden of proof upon you:
"Oh, so it wasn't people with flagpoles, or those breaking windows, or setting up a fake gallows, or getting shot by black cops, or people taking selfies that resulted in the misinformation term "insurrection" being tossed around the past 2 years?
Then Joe Biden must be the one who actually did overthrow democracy by occupying the White House based on the results of the Electoral College"
Now if I claimed that the gallows were real, then I would have a burden of proof. No one claimed that they were real so none of us have a burden of proof. You made one that they were fake. If you asked me if I could prove that a gallows were set up I could prove that. But even you cannot deny that there were gallows there. Could I prove that they were functional? No, that is why I would not make such a foolish claim.
Laniakea
Not of this world
You make foolish claims all the time. What would prevent you from doing it in this case?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The truth is that by both US and international law that once across the border, and it does not matter how they crossed, if a migrant turns themselves in and ask to apply for refugee status at that point they are "legal". I can quote and link the law if you need me to.
The law is not perfect. Very few laws are. Biden and his administration had a compromise worked out with the Republican Senate members. Do you know who lied about that agreement and sank the deal? The person that really does not think that immigrants are a problem. The person that saw immigrants as a political tool did that. Your man Trump.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And yet you are the only one that has been shown to make foolish claims. All that you have been able to do was to attempt to distort the claims that I have made. Show me one that I made.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
So, again where's the evidence the gallows was fake? You're adamant it was which means you have knowledge of its construction to determine it was fake. Looking forward to you actually supporting your assertion.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Biden used 94 executive orders on day 1 of his presidency to undo Trump's measures to secure the border. Now he blames the border crisis on Republicans and Trump and lies that he doesn't have the power to secure the border.
If you want to believe biden's lies, go right ahead.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Post #765 is a classic.
Ready for your denial in 3....2....1.....
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Correlation is not necessarily causation. You need more than that. In fact the refugee crisis began during Trump's reign. Didn't you know that? I know that I have posted articles on it in the past.
You would need to show that Biden's changes increased crossings. If you wish you can demand that I show that the refugee surge began before Biden became President.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How so? You need to show that it is foolish. What is foolish about it? When you make foolish posts I have demonstrated that they were that.
I made no strong claims. You did. Anything that I did claim is easily supported. You could have asked for evidence. You did not. That indicates that you accepted it.
You really do not seem to know how to debate at all. First off the time to challenge a post is when it was made. Second you challenge it by demanding evidence from reliable sources.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Just coincidence then?
The illegals certainly didn't think so.
But don't just look at his actions and the results. Listen to the old man himself:
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
So, again where's the evidence the gallows was fake? You're adamant it was which means you have knowledge of its construction to determine it was fake. Looking forward to you actually supporting your assertion.
Why are you refusing to support your claim? It's ok to admit that you can't. Honesty goes far in discussions.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wrong again, In that short clip he was talking about the US law that says that refugees are legal once they cross the border and turn themselves in. Do you need sources? And that was also when the number of people crossing was far smaller. Now we need to up the number of judges and other people necessary to process refugees. You need to remember that the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" applies to immigrants as well. We cannot legally just lock them up and put them away. There is a legal process that we have to go throough.
Why is it that those on the right will try to claim that we are a nation of laws but suddenly change their tune when the laws are against them?
Laniakea
Not of this world
Legal immigrants understand the law. They went through the process and became citizens. They knew that surging the border and child trafficking and drug smuggling wouldn't be in keeping with our laws, so they did it the right way.
That's the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one.
I'm pleased to have had this opportunity to correct and educate you once again.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Those are "legal immigrants". Here is the law:
8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
Please note this part of the law: "(whether or not at a designated port of arrival ". That means that even if they cross the border illegally 'not at a designated port of arrival" that they are still legal.
I did not write that law. Biden did not write that law. It was originally written in 1952.