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The War on Christmas comes to Ohio

McBell

McBell

Unbound
Sonofason said:
If you weren't showing more examples of resurrected life, then what is it that you were trying to do?
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Merely pointing out you do not even have to leave your Bible to see that resurrection is not the isolated incident you think it is..
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Yes said:
That doesn't sound too good about the constant battle part.
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It may not sound good, I'm sure. But even the slightest bit of idolatry is not good. I can't even say that I have any idols, but I'm not inclined to let down my guard either. I think that would be dangerous.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sonofason said:
Indeed, it's complex and it hurts my brain.
But still, I have not provoked the response I had hoped for. Is it not conceivably possible for medical science to one day put life back into that which is dead? What I'm getting at here is that if resurrecting the dead is possible in any conceivable way, then it is quite possible and even probably that God, if He exists, could certainly have already conceived of a method of doing it.
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Then they would not have been dead. One does not return from death. Once you reach the point of "dead", you stay there. You can be near death, but no one has ever actually died and come back. You can't.
 
Yes

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
Nietzsche said:
Then they would not have been dead. One does not return from death. Once you reach the point of "dead", you stay there. You can be near death, but no one has ever actually died and come back. You can't.
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God, during the laying of the foundation of the New Testament, He testified to what Jesus said, and God testified to what the disciples said. God testified to what they said by allowing them to do many miracles in His name.

Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Acts 14:3
So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Yes said:
God, during the laying of the foundation of the New Testament, He testified to what Jesus said, and God testified to what the disciples said. God testified to what they said by allowing them to do many miracles in His name.

Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Acts 14:3
So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.
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I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

If we're going on the assumption that everything God can do & has done is inherently natural then what happened to Jesus & Lazarus could not have been, by definition, death.
 
Yes

Yes

Oh how I love the Word of God!
Nietzsche said:
I believe you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

If we're going on the assumption that everything God can do & has done is inherently natural then what happened to Jesus & Lazarus could not have been, by definition, death.
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No, it is not natural to be raised from the dead after three days.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Yes said:
Is he arguing that it is natural, or Supernatural?
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Sonofason said:
I don't believe that there is anything magical about what God is capable of doing. When you are the author of life and being, I believe that you are fully capable of producing life and being without using any magic. There is nothing supernatural about God. He exists quite naturally. And that which He does is quite natural for Him to do.
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Oh how I love the Word of God!
I did not think he believed like that.
I believe that God Supernaturally helps us, sometimes.
God might not raise anyone from the dead after three days anymore, but He still does great and Supernatural things for those who love Him.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Nietzsche said:
Then they would not have been dead. One does not return from death. Once you reach the point of "dead", you stay there. You can be near death, but no one has ever actually died and come back. You can't.
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No, you can't right now. Less than 100 years ago, you couldn't talk on a cell phone either. But we do it all the time now. You have no idea what we will be capable of in the future, and you certainly have no idea what God is capable of.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sonofason said:
No, you can't right now. Less than 100 years ago, you couldn't talk on a cell phone either. But we do it all the time now. You have no idea what we will be capable of in the future, and you certainly have no idea what God is capable of.
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You aren't following. There is nothing 100 years ago that said that cellphones were impossible. By the time you discover radiowaves and other such information-carrying things, it's no longer "that can't happen" it's "that isn't possible right now". But death? No one and nothing has ever come back from death. If Jesus were 'resurrected' in the way you claim, that God did something that was wholly natural, then Jesus did not die. We'll need a different word for it, because death cannot be cheated.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Yes said:
I did not think he believed like that.
I believe that God Supernaturally helps us, sometimes.
God might not raise anyone from the dead after three days anymore, but He still does great and Supernatural things for those who love Him.
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Yes, I do not believe that God is supernatural. What God is capable of doing is completely natural for God to do. I'd like to see a human being, why not you, quickly grow a pair of wings, fly into, and land in my backyard like a bird. What? You can't? That is because it would be completely unnatural for a human being to grow wings, at least at this point in our evolutionary history. But it is completely natural for a bird to grow wings, and, it is completely natural for one of them to land in my back yard. We are not God. What is natural for God is not necessarily natural to us. Some things may be. But not necessarily everything. We cannot raise people from the dead at this point in time. If a person were to raise someone from the dead it ought to be something to be considered completely supernatural, that is unless it was not in fact the person who did the raising of the dead, but perhaps a God who did the raising of the dead. I see no reason to think that God is incapable of raising someone from the dead, since history says it happened. But perhaps you don't believe that really happened in history. You tell me.
 
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