This is where liberty dies

[Epic Beard Man]

It is an attempt to understand your logic, if you can chastise one business for denying liberty or promoting censorship then the same rules should apply to other businesses as well. It's not the end of the world or liberty in either case IMO, there are options if you disagree with the NFL or dating sites.

My logic is, when comparing the free speech argument of the Neo-Nazis of Charlottesville and the NFL players I'm looking at the arguments from observers who proclaim that these Neo-Nazis have a right for free speech. Fine. When it comes to athletes kneeling it is different because many say "it's a job" and my response to that is workers go on strike and protest all the time. The point is don't tell me about the rights of Neo-Nazis but wont afford the same rights to players protesting. There is no obligation for players to stand for the anthem in the NFL and by that alone, if they so choose to kneel let them kneel.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So if players want to kneel during the anthem they should suffer the consequences as well correct?

What consequence? There is no rule in the NFL that obliges players to stand

"While stopping short of saying the NFL would require its players to stand, Goodell strongly suggested in a letter to NFL teams that at next week’s meeting the league would propose to owners that players be required to do so, while also providing a platform to recognize their community activism."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-anthem/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.651515a603ff

 

[fantome profane]

One might quibble about whether something you like is best characterized as pushed in face.

One might even quibble about whether some guy minding his own business kneeling down is best characterized as “pushed in face”. But those were your words,

But, that is beside the point. If you want me to keep paying for it, I better like it. Ain't capitalist consumerism grand?

I don’t care if you keep paying for it or not. As hard as this may be for you to understand this issue is about something much more important than a football game.

 

[Stanyon]

Right and that is the crux of the issue. Many right wing conservatives forget that in the NFL nobody is obligated to stand for the pledge.....As far as your angry post remember I have a narrative here and that is to be the angry black man so my opinions will stand out more.

Thank you for being honest about your most recent Internet character.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Thank you for being honest about your most recent Internet character.

Christ, a lot of you on RF are really special aren't you?

 

[BSM1]

If you're stupid enough to believe that fire someone because of their skin pigmentation and see if you wont find your a** in a legal battle.

You are making my case. Thank you.

 

[Stanyon]

What consequence? There is no rule in the NFL that obliges players to stand

Well they are talking about requiring them to stand which was the whole point of your thread, they started something, some people didn't like it, and now the people that are signing the checks are thinking about it- those consequences.

Christ, a lot of you on RF are really special aren't you?

We are all special EBM and my offer of sponsorship and mentoring is still open, that is one door that will never close on you.
It get's real @ 1:00

 

[icehorse]

They certainly aren't paid to stand for the national anthem.

That's the money shot!!

How about we stop conflating sports and nationalism altogether?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why the hate....fat shaming people?
You really ought'a try expressing opinions about issues
without angrily abusing groups you look down upon.

I was corrected, that was not anger, oddly enough it was not a rant either. I can see that you are just as confused as I was

 

[Augustus]

So if players want to kneel during the anthem they should suffer the consequences as well correct?

And if they have the legal right to kneel as per the terms of their labour agreement, you would support that, correct?

 

[columbus]

What consequence? There is no rule in the NFL that obliges players to stand

But if the NFL owners added one, they would be entirely within their rights.

The players are still completely free to express any opinion that they want to. On the courthouse steps, they could hold a rally in a rented football stadium, they could have a news conference in their backyard. Nobody is impinging on their freedom of speech in anyway. Heaven knows they can afford it and have the celebrity power to draw a crowd.

But they don't have the right to use the NFL owner's venue for their own purposes, without permission. That's what this is about.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But, by the same token, I do not have the right to tell my employer what he can and cannot do in respect to his flag.

The NFL does not require the players to stand. I checked around when this whole thing first came up, and found the NFL has no policy and stands by those who kneel rather than stand.

 

[columbus]

The NFL does not require the players to stand. I checked around when this whole thing first came up, and found the NFL has no policy and stands by those who kneel rather than stand.

If they made such a rule, would you support their rights to do so?
Tom

 

[Phantasman]

Nice little straw man. They don't hate America, but rather are courageous enough to not blindly go along with silly patriotism and pretend our country is just fine and dandy when there are so many serious and dire problems that need addressed.

I think it's funny that when someone has no debate protocols they use the words "straw man".

I just add that to all the other "name calling" that people use when they cannot show a reasonable opposing view.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If they made such a rule, would you support their rights to do so?
Tom

It might be their "right". It would hardly be a wise move.

 

[Phantasman]

The NFL does not require the players to stand. I checked around when this whole thing first came up, and found the NFL has no policy and stands by those who kneel rather than stand.

True. But when politics invaded the NFL, I just quit watching, as many other American did.

Ahead of Super Bowl, Poll Shows NFL Is Losing Its Core Audience

It's clear that the kneeling isn't a good thing for the NFL, no matter what the nay sayers say.

 

[columbus]

It might be their "right". It would hardly be a wise move.

Based on @Epic Beard Man post #82, the NFL owners are trying to come up with a compromise that is more than fair.

Doubtless, no good deed will go unpunished. When the "culture of victimhood and entitlement" folks get a concession they usually want more.
Tom

 

[Stanyon]

And if they have the legal right to kneel as per the terms of their labour agreement, you would support that, correct?

That agreement is between the players and the people that are signing their cheques, I don't watch football for the anthem and if I have a problem with someone kneeling or not I don't have to watch it. I don't pay to watch any professional sports events as I see the tickets as ridiculously overpriced, the cost of parking is outrageous, and the national average cost for a small cup of beer ( typically crappy Budweiser) is about $7.50 when an entire 6 pack is about $8. It's not that I can't afford it but I don't like paying far more for something than what it is actually worth and if I feel like I am being gouged then I don't bother with it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a hard time believing you are that stupid to think I was serious about the fat part. You, who make jokes about damn frubals all the time.

I'd expect that since you're so much more intelligent, learned, &
bias-free than I am, that you'd know abusive jokes are still abuse,
particularly when the post exudes anger & vitriol, but no humor.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was corrected, that was not anger, oddly enough it was not a rant either. I can see that you are just as confused as I was

Please forgive me....I'm just a stupid old fat racist white guy (so I'm told).