McBell
Unbound
You say that Satan is the serpent and Jesus says that Peter is Satan, therefore Peter is the serpent.
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TotD: Was the serpent in Genesis Satan?
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Wayfaring Stranger
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Peter was trying to stop the cross from happening, Satan didn't thing the bruise would be defined as death, Death for an Angel is the fiery lake, I wonder when he caught on that the kiss he gave Christ was not in his best interest. I'm going to go with when the breath left Jesus on the cross.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
ah im with ya now.
Although, i think Jesus words in no way imply that Peter is Satan. the word 'satan' means resister...so in this case Jesus is simply using the word for what it is, a description of Peters actions at the time.... Peter was resisting the inevitable.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Definitely not the snake in Genesis. I simply think that "satan" is basically never used to describe the events in the garden of Eden. Something I've noticed, the whole 'satan' idea seems to come much later. Provide verses if you disagree.
Wayfaring Stranger
Member
This isn't complete by a long shot because by rights the 'sons of God' need to be defined and that would require going over all of Jude:1. Both are angelic beings and as such they have the right to look on Gods face which puts them above men. The few verses below only set out that the punishment of the serpent is the same as the one Satan is undergoing as far as angelic being goes. Job is written after the flood that is why Satan alone is called from the earth to a meeting in the Angels first estate. All fallen angels that took wives are in the Pit by the time that takes place, they were put there during the flood by 10,000 Holy Angels as recorded in the first verse below.
The serpent was able to bruise the seed of Eve (after several attempts) because he had possessed Judas and was still in possession when the kiss in the garden took place which identified Jesus to the guards. Luke gives the history of Mary through her fathers all the way back to Adam making her a direct relative and it is her lineage as being a daughter of Aaron (as is her cousin Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist) given in Luke.
Rather than ramble on this should be enough to start and give you something to question and I'll expand on those points.
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
Ge:3:14:
And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle,
and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Ge:6:1:
And it came to pass,
when men began to multiply on the face of the earth,
and daughters were born unto them,
Ge:6:2:
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Job:1:6:
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them.
Job:1:7:
And the LORD said unto Satan,
Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD,
and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.
Joh:8:44:
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.
1Jo:3:8:
He that committeth sin is of the devil;
for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Good grief ... 
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I think it is problematic to start labeling every negative character in the Bible as "satan". Add to that the fact that the snake didn't actually lie to Eve, if someone is going to reference the incidents of satan being referred to as the 'liar'.
Nobody has given a logical or concise reason for us to assume that the snake was satan.
Nobody has given a logical or concise reason for us to assume that the snake was satan.
arthra
Baha'i
Baha'is see the story of the Garden of Eden and so on as an allegory...
Part Two -- Some Christian Subjects
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
How many people here believe that the snake hadn't lied?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That's irrelevant. Genesis 3 clearly indicates that the snake merely told the truth, albeit with devious intent.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
May I point out that the Bible states that it was a serpent, not necessarily a snake, that spoke to Eve. Furthermore the serpent was cursed by God to "crawl" on its belly after Eden. Mainstream religions have interpreted this to mean a snake, but you can't be certain. Personally I do not know any snakes that can speak.
To answer the OP question, no I do not believe the serpent was Satan. There is no proof of it being Satan, only speculation.
For all we know it could have been a now extinct dragon...
To answer the OP question, no I do not believe the serpent was Satan. There is no proof of it being Satan, only speculation.
For all we know it could have been a now extinct dragon...
Drivel. The issue is not what we know about what it could have been; the issue is what we can reasonably infer from the narrative, and there is nothing in the narrative to suggest satan.
'Satan tempting Eve' is post-Biblical eisegesis.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
This thread illustrates the problem with too much biblical interpretation, especially between history texts, prophetic texts and wisdom texts. Cross referencing scripture is great, however trying to fit various characters into the role of "satan" only makes sense if the character, "satan" is consistent in his actions.
Nobody has refuted the arguments I provided earlier in this thread.
Nobody has refuted the arguments I provided earlier in this thread.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
It is not nonsense to look at things from different perspectives. To limit yourself to a single or doctrinal view, only hinders your ability to look at the bigger picture.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Wayfaring Stranger
Member
A dragon with trimmed wings is a low to the ground serpent. Since fallen angels had children they could also appear as a man. If the 4 fallen ones in the 6th trump can manifest into 200M horsemen with riders then why not use that for the 'sons of God' in Ge:6. How many does Enoch name, 20 x 50M would be the population of 'the children' called giants in those days. Can't prove any of those numbers but it is stated in 2 places that 10,000 holy angels put the ones on earth into a Pit where they wait until their judgment day, same time Satan is loosed from the Pit and sent to the fiery lake.
That depends entirely on the perspective, and not all opinions are created equal. There is zero textual basis for asserting that the 'nachash' was Satan.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
So we (and others) agree that the serpent was not Satan, because there is no evidence to suggest that it was. Excellent!
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Genesis does not indicate that the snake told any truth. Being 'like God' in knowing good and bad did not mean what he 'implied' it meant.
It amounted to Adam and Eve deciding for themselves what was good and bad...it amounted to independent thinking, a moving away from Gods laws and standards. That is opposition to God.
If the serpent had said, "hey Eve, why dont you just oppose Gods rules and do your own thing, decide for yourself what is good and bad according to your own view" he would have been telling the truth and she would not have done what she did.
But she was deceived because the devil twisted the truth...that is the worst form of lying because the person can easily fall for the deception.