Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Except that it wasn't the 'devil', it was a snake. Don't you think that if it was the satan or the 'devil' the scripture would have stated as such?
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TotD: Was the serpent in Genesis Satan?
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Except that it wasn't the 'devil', it was a snake. Don't you think that if it was the satan or the 'devil' the scripture would have stated as such?
McBell
Unbound
wait...
Are you saying that independent thinking is in itself in opposition to god?
Huh?
What lie did the serpent speak?
What devil?
I thought it was the serpent that talked Eve into disobeying God?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
why coulnt the devil have used a real snake to speak to Eve?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
when it opposes Gods rules and standards, yes.
They were told not to eat, they chose to eat...that is directly in opposition to what they were told.
it told Eve she could become like God... she likely thought he meant she could better herself if she became more like God. But what he actually meant was that Eve could make her own decisions the way God makes his own decisions.
it was the serpent...'the original serpent who is called Devil and Satan'
christian here.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I have no reason to assume that. The quote you referenced BTW doesn't have to mean the snake in the Garden of Eden.
McBell
Unbound
Fair enough.
So he did not lie.
Eve made assumptions.
Why should one assume that the serpent is anything other than a serpent?
I mean, I understand that it is a popular belief, but I have as yet to see anything that gives reason to support the assumption.
And?
Is this supposed to be some sort of epiphany moment and if so, for whom?
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Because in Genesis, the serpent that spoke to Eve apparently had legs (inferred belief) until God forced it to crawl on its belly. Snakes don't have legs. Now perhaps at some point in history they did, but then you get into evolution and that's a whole 'nother ball of wax, and it certainly debunks the young earth theory.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i think we can safely assume that snakes dont talk... so someone must have been making it appear that a snake was talking.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Not every negative character in the Bible is satan. Unless it is very clear that some entity whether in the OT or the NT is satan, I'm not going to jump to that conclusion.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
There is no need for anyone to jump to that conclusion because 'satan' is not a verb...its just a description of an action being taken.
So no, everytime someone is called a satan it is not reference to a particular entity who goes by that name. I guess thats why the book of revelation says that the dragon,who was fighting in heaven, is 'called devil and satan' and it adds that he happened to be the 'original serpent' thus identifying that same dragon with the snake in eden.
Or the apple? Or (perhaps more likely) a talking pomegranate.
It was a reptile - live with it. The only time hasatan shows up in the Torah is to block Balaam's path in dutiful service to the Lord.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That affirms my argument that we can't assume it was Satan. Being just a term, that really brings a whole new set of problems to the 'satan' character in the Bible.
You can't [reasonably] assume that it was Satan because the is zero textual reason for such an assumption,
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Really...Is that the only reason why I can't assume that the snake was Satan?
the early christian writers did view the snake as satan...thats why i believe it was. Even though Genesis doesnt specifically state that it was Gods adversary posing as a snake, if we take the christian view as the correct view, then the only logical assumption is that it was.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Isnt the book of Job apart of the Torah?
What of the Satan mentioned in the first chapter of that book?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Which Christian view? Which churches teach that the snake was Satan?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
its written in the scritpures that the 'dragon' is the 'original serpent' who is 'misleading the entire inhabited earth'
I only know of one group of christians who do not believe that Satan is a real person, that is the christadelphians.
McBell
Unbound
I assume you also view the world as flat?
That horse hairs left in water will turn into worms?
that tomatoes are poisonous?
that meat will spontaneously generate into flies?
I mean, early Christians also believed these things...
Funny how you throw the word logic in your post as though merely using the word makes it so.
Wayfaring Stranger
Member
M't:24:14:
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
Everyone alive from when they have heard the name of God has has a relationship established and the day the 7th trump sounds is the day payment comes due
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
Everyone alive from when they have heard the name of God has has a relationship established and the day the 7th trump sounds is the day payment comes due