Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Exactly, verses like loving your neighbor as yourself, loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, and treating others the way you'd like to be treated.
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Transgenderism
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Exactly, verses like loving your neighbor as yourself, loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, and treating others the way you'd like to be treated.
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
This is true - But does Christianity (or organized religion in general) attempt to fix this problem or justify it?
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
Well, where's the fun in doing that stuff?
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
Probably for the same reason not many people care what causes left-handedness.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Jesus carried an assault rifle and brass knuckles! He didn't go by that hippy dippy stuff. You're just interpreting it wrong.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Not to mention that a woman was created from the rib of a man created from dirt, and that they were both tempted by a talking serpent with a forbidden fruit from a tree of life. Yes, apparently Christians can firmly believe mythological stories like the creation myth while also adamantly rejecting evolution.
InChrist
Free4ever
The first verse means that all believers are equal and one in Christ, irregardless of who one is or their position in this world system or culture. It is not a reference or pertinent to the subject of transgenderism.
The second verse is only part of a larger context, which is not saying no one should never make judgments concerning right and wrong, true or false, etc. Jesus simply lays out the correct or incorrect way of judging and having discernment about people or things.
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“Jesus’ command not to judge others could be the most widely quoted of His sayings, even though it is almost invariably quoted in complete disregard of its context. Here is Jesus’ statement: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Many people use this verse in an attempt to silence their critics, interpreting Jesus’ meaning as “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” Taken in isolation, Jesus’ command “Do not judge” does indeed seem to preclude all negative assessments. However, there is much more to the passage than those three words.
The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15–16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong.
Also, the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean all actions are equally moral or that truth is relative. The Bible clearly teaches that truth is objective, eternal, and inseparable from God’s character. Anything that contradicts the truth is a lie—but, of course, to call something a “lie” is to pass judgment. To call adultery or murder a sin is likewise to pass judgment—but it’s also to agree with God. When Jesus said not to judge others, He did not mean that no one can identify sin for what it is, based on God’s definition of sin.”
What does the Bible mean when it says, “Do not judge”? | GotQuestions.org
What does the Bible say about judging others? Does the Bible forbid judging others in all circumstances?
www.gotquestions.org
InChrist
Free4ever
You’re usually quite friendly and respectful, I didn’t expect that from you.
I made no comment on the earlier video because I don’t think this subject is a joking matter. Just my thoughts.
I think you misunderstand what's at issue here.The first verse means that all believers are equal and one in Christ, irregardless of who one is or their position in this world system or culture. It is not a reference or pertinent to the subject of transgenderism.
The second verse is only part of a larger context, which is not saying no one should never make judgments concerning right and wrong, true or false, etc. Jesus simply lays out the correct or incorrect way of judging and having discernment about people or things.
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“Jesus’ command not to judge others could be the most widely quoted of His sayings, even though it is almost invariably quoted in complete disregard of its context. Here is Jesus’ statement: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Many people use this verse in an attempt to silence their critics, interpreting Jesus’ meaning as “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” Taken in isolation, Jesus’ command “Do not judge” does indeed seem to preclude all negative assessments. However, there is much more to the passage than those three words.
The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15–16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong.
Also, the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean all actions are equally moral or that truth is relative. The Bible clearly teaches that truth is objective, eternal, and inseparable from God’s character. Anything that contradicts the truth is a lie—but, of course, to call something a “lie” is to pass judgment. To call adultery or murder a sin is likewise to pass judgment—but it’s also to agree with God. When Jesus said not to judge others, He did not mean that no one can identify sin for what it is, based on God’s definition of sin.”
What does the Bible mean when it says, “Do not judge”? | GotQuestions.org
What does the Bible say about judging others? Does the Bible forbid judging others in all circumstances?www.gotquestions.org
It's not a matter of you convincing others that trans people are somehow evil (they aren't) or that you're right to condemn them (you aren't).
What's at issue - and what you have control over - is how people are going to perceive you. Are you so evil that you would condemn others for simply existing?
Are you - and others who believe as you do - so dangerous that we need to actively oppose you, or are you benign enough that we can tolerate you?
Apostle John
“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
How is that going to be achieved without God when history shows it obviously won’t be achieved by humans alone.
How do you figure? I'd say history shows the opposite.
InChrist
Free4ever
I think you may need to go back and re-read the OP and subsequent posts I’ve made because I did not say trans people are evil and in no way condemn them or anyone else for existing. I indicated that satan is the evil one attacking human beings.
I love trans people, as Jesus loves them. The scriptures say to speak the truth in love, because truth brings freedom.
InChrist
Free4ever
In my well over 60 years, I’ve known both kinds of men. Most of the really chauvinistic ones who don’t respect women as equals have been non-Christians.
Ah... so they aren't evil in and of themselves; they're just the product of evil. Big difference.
If you love them, then act like it.
InChrist
Free4ever
The Bible calls it sin and offers the solution called repentance; meaning to change and stop the sin behavior, in this case the disrespect, abuse, or men not treating women as equals created by God.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As a former Christian and evangelical ministry leader, I can say that Christian men, particularly evangelicals, have done this, not non-Christian men. Some Christian men have reprimanded me for not submitting to what they saw as my husband's authority over me, and they have suggested that I should not hold a leadership position in any Christian ministry because doing so would imply that I have authority over men. I was told that, as a Christian woman, I was required to offer my husband sex anytime he desired it, and that if I did not submit to him, he had the right to force me. I've also been told that I should keep my mouth shut when my husband is speaking and never question or criticize him or other men. My husband's grandfather (an outspoken conservative Christian) even told him shortly after we married that he needed to "break my will" if he wanted a good marriage with a submissive wife. I consider myself fortunate that my husband has always treated me as an equal, despite his grandfather's and father's advice on how to interact with me.
My husband and I have been married for thirty years. Finally, I could share more stories of growing up in a conservative Christian family and then marrying into a conservative Christian family. I am, however, pleased to report that my father-in-law backed down after being threatened with estrangement if he didn't treat me with respect. He treats my daughters and I with respect and hasn't said anything about how he believes we should submit to my husband.
Oh, it's just a joke based upon some people believing
that people & dinosaurs existed simultaneously.
And of course, that applies to only a minority of believers.
Serious matters need humor. It calms the savages, many
of whom are atheists (who can be a nasty bunch at times).
BTW, you've always been kind to me. You're a valuable
poster here.
We Never Know
No Slack
Lo!
I was wrong!
InChrist
Free4ever
There is that fringe element within Christianity, which I consider totally in conflict with the scriptures. Doug Philips used to promote similar stuff, promoting “godly marriage” holding up his marriage as an example, all the while he having an illicit relationship with a young woman. Then there’s Bill Gothard who taught this stuff about marriage and submission, yet he wasn’t even married. Besides telling people how to run their marriages and families, he occupied himself with molesting teenage girls and young women.
Both these men and their groups were para-church organizations, yet their teachings infiltrated many churches.
Our family went to court in support of an abused wife whose “Christian” husband and father-in-law espoused these unbiblical views.