Transgenderism

[Apostle John]

Scientists can demonstrate the veracity of their claims.
You have not done that. And so no rational person has any reason to believe anything you say on the topic.

So demonstrate why the level of homosexuality in humans doesn’t ridicule the well touted Theory of Evolution.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So demonstrate why the level of homosexuality in humans doesn’t ridicule the well touted Theory of Evolution.

For those who are actually interested in good faith questions about evolutionary biology and animal behaviorology, Biological Exhuberance is a great book that documents homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom and talks about why it's no less unexpected than things like meerkat behaviors where only one couple ik the group breeds. Plenty of animal behavior which doesn't support all members breeding have evolved, because evolutionary biology is a population phenomena, not an individual one.

 

[InChrist]

My grandmother's pacemaker added fifteen years to her life. Are you against that?

No, as I said elsewhere, there are pros and cons. I think the difference between something like a pacemaker and transgender and/or transhuman body chemical or technological alterations is when it gets into trying to change one’s innate biological person or what it means to be human. Along with that, transhumanism with all a person’s data implanted into them at some point could be very vulnerable to surveillance and control.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Why would they? Do you have verified examples? Your identity is going to be what your brain says, not what is in your pants.

So we’re all going to get brain scans to tell us our gender? That’s the future in your eyes?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No, as I said elsewhere, there are pros and cons. I think the difference between something like a pacemaker and transgender and/or transhuman body chemical or technological alterations is when it gets into trying to change one’s innate biological person or what it means to be human. Along with that, transhumanism with all a person’s data implanted into them at some point could be very vulnerable to surveillance and control.

What is the difference between a procedure that is simply a "procedure", and a procedure that is "trying to change one's innate biological person or what it means to be human"?

I don't see how gender affirming therapy or surgery is in any way more "changing to changes one's innate biology" or "what it means to be human" any more than plastic surgery, glasses, pacemakers or any other procedure. What's the difference?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So we’re all going to get brain scans to tell us our gender? That’s the future in your eyes?

Why can't the future just be that gender is no longer regarded as an essential or useful concept, and it is instead relegated to associations that are almost entirely aesthetic or ephemeral?

 

[Apostle John]

For those who are actually interested in good faith questions about evolutionary biology and animal behaviorology, Biological Exhuberance is a great book that documents homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom and talks about why it's no less unexpected than things like meerkat behaviors where only one couple ik the group breeds. Plenty of animal behavior which doesn't support all members breeding have evolved, because evolutionary biology is a population phenomena, not an individual one.

That’s not what I asked science to demonstrate. The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.
For information, homosexuality in animals is very different to that observed in humans and is human interpretation of the phenomena.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That’s not what I asked science to demonstrate. The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.

Source, please.

 

[Apostle John]

Source, please.

It’s called the Theory of Evolution. It’s well known.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It’s called the Theory of Evolution. It’s well known.

And where does the Theory of Evolution predict that all homosexuality should not exist?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Why can't the future just be that gender is no longer regarded as an essential or useful concept, and it is instead relegated to associations that are almost entirely aesthetic or ephemeral?

How old are sexual dimorphism and gender roles? How ubiquitous in nature are they? Good luck fighting against that reality. My bet is on reality.

 

[InChrist]

What is the difference between a procedure that is simply a "procedure", and a procedure that is "trying to change one's innate biological person or what it means to be human"?

I don't see how gender affirming therapy or surgery is in any way more "changing to changes one's innate biology" or "what it means to be human" any more than plastic surgery, glasses, pacemakers or any other procedure. What's the difference?

I understand that you don’t see a difference. I do though because I believe in a Creator God who created humans male and female and for humans to attempt altering that can only bring negative consequences.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

How old are sexual dimorphism and gender roles? How ubiquitous in nature are they? Good luck fighting against that reality. My bet is on reality.

Now, in the story of the Kingdom, two become one at the end. We can’t skip chapters though.

 

[Apostle John]

And where does the Theory of Evolution predict that all homosexuality should not exist?

The theory of evolution has total, uncompromising reliance on natural selection and survival of the fittest through natural reproduction. Therefore homosexuality over the time evolution of the species is said to have occurred would have been eradicated from the gene pool. There’s absolutely no rational explanation for its existence using this theory. Scientists use it to guess natural selection outcomes all the time.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

How old are sexual dimorphism and gender roles?

A very good question. It's hard to say. What's even harder to say is how long have gender roles remained consistent.

How ubiquitous in nature are they? Good luck fighting against that reality. My bet is on reality.

You do realise that there are countless species that don't have gender, or have gender roles that are entirely contrary to other genders, right?

Are we not humans? Are we not able to rise above the idea of gender as an inherent facet of who we are and instead acknowledge it not as something entirely ingrained in our very being but a social development that can be altered and, if necessary, removed?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The theory of evolution has total, uncompromising reliance on natural selection and survival of the fittest through natural reproduction. Therefore homosexuality over the time evolution of the species is said to have occurred would have been eradicated from the gene pool.

Nope. Because homosexuality isn't an inheritable trait. We only have scant evidence to suggest its even genetic.

 

[InChrist]

Such misogyny is another reason I struggled accepting I'm trans. They treat being a woman like it's a curse.

Why would they? Do you have verified examples? Your identity is going to be what your brain says, not what is in your pants.

So are you saying the human body is irrelevant and biological reality is not reality?

 

[InChrist]

Sadly, the majority of men who abuse their families are conservative Christians. It should not be that way.

I haven’t known that to be the case. What kind of church did you attend? I do know there are bad ones around and that’s probably why a large portion of the NT warns believers to be on guard of false teachers and teachings infiltrating the church.?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

A very good question. It's hard to say. What's even harder to say is how long have gender roles remained consistent.


You do realise that there are countless species that don't have gender, or have gender roles that are entirely contrary to other genders, right?

You are pointing to a clear minority of species with no gender.

Are we not humans? Are we not able to rise above the idea of gender as an inherent facet of who we are and instead acknowledge it not as something entirely ingrained in our very being but a social development that can be altered and, if necessary, removed?

Right now, no we are not able to rise above the idea of gender nor should we want to. In sports for instance, not having separate male and female categories would have extreme undesirable affects on women.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Interesting,...but in your country...a nympho can decide to identify as a male and can easily gain access to men's facilities

Could be worse. I could live in a country where men who wear dresses and frilly hats have easy access to children and avoidance of legal consequences.