Transgenderism

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I believe you are correct, it’s definitely already underway as you mentioned in the labs in China, as well as the augmentation of technological devices into human beings. I agree God will thwart this soon.

Why? We were dirt first, according to your beliefs. We are trans dirt clods.

 

[Apostle John]

Nope. Because homosexuality isn't an inheritable trait. We only have scant evidence to suggest its even genetic.

Whatever causes homosexuality it didn’t come after millions of years of reproduction supposed by any evolution theory.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Like I said the next “trans” will be transhumanism; merging humans with technology.

So people with artificial hearts or joints or limbs are satanic?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

To the ends that humans, inspired by satan, believe they can be gods, create their own identity and possibly eternal life through technology apart from the Creator’s design and plan.

We were made in God’s image. We would necessarily share His psyche issues.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Once humans believe they can alter who they are by changing their biological gender or sex through thoughts/feelings over physical reality, hormone altering pharmaceutical drugs, and surgeries then body altering with technology will follow. Ultimately, what it means to be a human being will be gone. Although, I don’t think the Creator will let it go that far.

If God is not a fan, let Him stop it. That He doesn’t tells me He doesn’t agree with you.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Eve was made female amd didnt become male, so no she wasn't trans.

Mixing science and mythology is fun. If Eve was made from Adam's rib, she's his clone and has a Y-chromosome. And if Jesus was born by parthenogenesis, he's haploid.

Exactly, verses like loving your neighbor as yourself, loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, and treating others the way you'd like to be treated.

The pinnacle of love in Christianity is the crucifixion of Christ, a blood sacrifice. And Christian ethics is divine command ethics - if God said or did it, it is good by definition. Thus, calling homosexuals an abomination is love, because God thinks so. You've probably also noticed problems with the Christian versions of justice and mercy as well. God is just and merciful, but will send you to hell forever for not guessing to believe in him and there is no appeal or parole. But God is just, merciful, and loving

In light of the scriptures I think it’s clear that “transgenderism” is a satanic attack upon God’s creation of male and female, human personhood, biological reality, and truth.

Actually, I see your religion as an attack on human decency. It's injected that kind of toxic thinking into the heads of hundreds of millions. Comments like yours merely energize the anti-theist, who considers religions like that one a net harm to society and want to see its influence in the world diminished if for no other reason than that it stop generating so many bigots and depositing them in our neighborhoods and workplaces.

I love trans people, as Jesus loves them.

I doubt that your love resembles what a humanist would call love.

The Bible calls it sin and offers the solution called repentance; meaning to change and stop the sin behavior, in this case the disrespect, abuse, or men not treating women as equals created by God.

The Bible supports misogyny, and even if it didn't, in the eyes of outsiders, the religion is not defined by its book, but by what it promotes and by the types of people it generates. We just saw the love of Jesus for women in America, who the church wants to make incubators for the state.

I think you may need to go back and re-read the OP and subsequent posts I’ve made because I did not say trans people are evil and in no way condemn them or anyone else for existing. I indicated that satan is the evil one attacking human beings.

If you stand for Christianity, you stand for its values, just like the people with Confederate flags who say that they aren't bigots. Maybe not in some cases, but they promote what the Conservative flag stands for with the majority nevertheless.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with me thanks to God. So the explanation from the experts, is there a cure in the pipeline?

And thanks for your input as well. Would you say that you faithfully represent your god and Jesus (I never know with any Christian whether that's one or two characters)? Did you learn those things in church?

I doubt very much the possibility of me dragging my witness down on here given the forum’s predominant heathen membership and agenda.

I agree, but not for the reasons you give. You're doing your part to help fix people's attitudes about what Christianity actually is and does. Some of your fellow Christian might try to marginalize you and call you No True Christian, but your bona fides are intact with me, because a true Christian is not defined by comparing anybody to the book, but by looking at who and what they actually believe.

Does this ‘bigot’ train of thought come from the Christopher Hitchens book?

No, it comes from the consciences of the compassionate - the people who actually believe in and live by the Golden Rule rather than just give it lip service as they go spreading their hatreds and bigotries - humanists.

The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.

This is also helpful. Who say's you're not a True Christian? Who's more authentic than you? This is the kind of thing I see from them regularly here on RF and elsewhere.

homosexuality over the time evolution of the species is said to have occurred would have been eradicated from the gene pool.

Do tell, Mr. Science. And if it isn't too much trouble, could you please "explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes."

There’s absolutely no rational explanation for its existence using this theory.

You're uninformed, but that's by design, right? It's how your priests want you, and it seems to be how you prefer to be yourself given your access to Google and answers. Try this and see if it doesn't help, assuming that you consider learning help.

So demonstrate why the level of homosexuality in humans doesn’t ridicule the well touted Theory of Evolution.

It's not science being ridiculed here or doing the ridiculing. Please continue.

Incidentally, the theory is correct beyond reasonable doubt. I know that they say that theories can never be proven, but some are beyond falsification now, like the heliocentric theory of the solar system and the germ theory of infectious disease. What could falsify either of those? Evolution is not quite as immune to falsification, since one can imagine a finding however unlikely that would falsify it. But think of what the new paradigm would become were that to happen - a transhuman, deceptive, intelligent designer who planted deceptive evidence to make us believe that evolution had occurred naturalistically, but got found out anyway - not a reasonable hypothesis though logically possible and not ruled out. That's not a good prospect for those who believe in the god of the Christian Bible, which god has been ruled out by that evidence even if the theory is ever falsified.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

First, I don’t think feelings are reliable and can lead anyone to make some regrettable decisions.

Like when people think that they are saved.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Like when people think that they are saved.

No mercy, aiming right at the Achilles heel.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That’s not what I asked science to demonstrate. The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.
For information, homosexuality in animals is very different to that observed in humans and is human interpretation of the phenomena.

No, it doesn't.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.

It really doesn't. Again, most social animals have members within the group that do not breed. Evolution does not require all members of a species to breed in order to proceed apace.

And in genetics, inheritable traits are passed down recessive or via epigenetic non-activation all the time. It's why disorders which are genetic and cause sterility like PCOS survived to this day.

Homosexuality, if it has genetuc or epigenetic components, could easily be passed by non-homosexual people.

But more likely has to do with mother and fetal endocrine function, which is why 2nd, 3rd and 4th children are more likely to be gay than firstborns. In which case there is nothing to be selected against genetically.

For information, homosexuality in animals is very different to that observed in humans and is human interpretation of the phenomena

There are plenty of non-human animals which have been observed in a same-sex long term pairing, monogamous and even child fostering. Even in diverse groups.

Again, can't recommend Biological Exhuberance enough. It goes into exhaustive detail about homosexuality in non-human animals with pages and pages of detailed references.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So are you saying the human body is irrelevant and biological reality is not reality?

What is my biological reality? I never had an adams apple, I knew several ciswomen with larger hands and feet than me, women's clothing fits me better, I had some breast development before I started hormones, and inherited things seen in the women in my family (like my lazy eye that's been in at least four generations of women in my family).
Really, at times I wonder if I might be some intersex of sorts.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So are you saying the human body is irrelevant and biological reality is not reality?

Biology is more diverse than you pretend it is. And what is generally true is rarely universally true.

I'm immune to caffeine because my body makes and processes dopamine differently than yours. I can drink a pot of coffee and go to bed without incident (except perhaps needing a restroom.)

I also produce way more testosterone than most women do and could grow a beard any time. It impacts how I percieve my gender, as does my autism which tends to disregard gender roles.

No biologist worth their salt doesn't know both sex and gender are a spectrum. And that gender and sex both include operations of mind. Operations of mind are still biological realities because brains are biological material.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I haven’t known that to be the case. What kind of church did you attend? I do know there are bad ones around and that’s probably why a large portion of the NT warns believers to be on guard of false teachers and teachings infiltrating the church.?

Supposedly it was a study. I was Baptist for a long time. Southern, as well as independent/fundamentalist.

 

[InChrist]

Why? We were dirt first, according to your beliefs. We are trans dirt clods.

Not quite according the scriptures.

 

[InChrist]

Like when people think that they are saved.

No, not like that.
Saved born again believers KNOW they are saved…


These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:13

 

[InChrist]

If God is not a fan, let Him stop it. That He doesn’t tells me He doesn’t agree with you.

He will stop it, yet He is patient…


The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Sadly, the majority of men who abuse their families are conservative Christians. It should not be that way.

That has also been my experience, as well as the experiences of many other people in my support group for childhood abuse survivors. The majority of us (men and women) grew up in an evangelical, conservative Christian home and church, and some, like me, married into a conservative Christian family.

 

[InChrist]

What is my biological reality? I never had an adams apple, I knew several ciswomen with larger hands and feet than me, women's clothing fits me better, I had some breast development before I started hormones, and inherited things seen in the women in my family (like my lazy eye that's been in at least four generations of women in my family).
Really, at times I wonder if I might be some intersex of sorts.

Okay, you have some different qualities or features for a guy and/or features that seem female. But what’s wrong that or with being the unique individual person you are in the male body you were born with as it is?

 

[InChrist]

So people with artificial hearts or joints or limbs are satanic?

No

 

[InChrist]

Biology is more diverse than you pretend it is. And what is generally true is rarely universally true.

I'm immune to caffeine because my body makes and processes dopamine differently than yours. I can drink a pot of coffee and go to bed without incident (except perhaps needing a restroom.)

I also produce way more testosterone than most women do and could grow a beard any time. It impacts how I percieve my gender, as does my autism which tends to disregard gender roles.

No biologist worth their salt doesn't know both sex and gender are a spectrum. And that gender and sex both include operations of mind. Operations of mind are still biological realities because brains are biological material.

I understand people have feelings about their biology or gender which are influenced by their thoughts/mind/ brains and there’s a wide range to those thoughts. Nevertheless, I don’t see how altering one’s physical body and health with strong hormones or cutting off or removing healthy body parts is really helpful, wise, or a healthy thing to do in the long run.