Transgenderism

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Not quite according the scriptures.

The scripture has our species starting off as dirt.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Saved born again believers KNOW they are saved

Do you get a certificate to confirm, straight from God? No? Then you DON’T.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Probably because God’s views are eternal and unchanging and He has fully revealed His “opinions

He changed His mind every few pages. Jesus.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Big boobs, shoulder pain, body didn't feel the right size, higher risk for breast cancer which runs in my family, prevented me from doing swim team which I really wanted to do. Self esteem issues from being so big.

Hormones, lots of physical and psychological distress from irregular and severe menstrual cycles. It plays into ADHD too, since estrogen impacts mood, memory and focus. Having high androgen hormones and not high enough estrogen hormones also impacts digestive stuff like insulin response and water retention.

I know you're going to say 'oh sounds like a lot of physical symptoms,' but I want you to understand that the psychological symptoms (which are also physical symptoms just not ones you can see) were just as severe and relevent impacts on my health.

I would kill to donate my boobs. They nearly choke me when I try to sleep on my back.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

There is no brain scan for gender. As I said earlier it's likely way more complicated than that. Just like autism is a neurological disorder but you can't diagnose it with brain scans either.

It needs to be understood that neurological activity is correlated with every human experience, but that is not to mean that correlation = causation. Neurologists are heavily biased to lean in that direction, though. Obviously.

Again, I am agnostic about how much effect the biological / neurological has on gender dysphoria, but to deny the social and subjective aspect completely is a losing position. It is completely short sighted and detached from reality. I would encourage people to pause and rethink continuing in that direction.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

How does the kid figure it out? By making an appointment to get a brain scan? Since you said the brain determines gender.

If you can’t understand that your brain will determine your identity, then I honestly don’t know what to say.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I just think it confuses kids to imply it’s a choice whether they are a boy or girl and pressures them. It’s no different than telling kids they can choose their eye color when they already have brown eyes.

Lol. People buy all kinds of crazy contacts.

 

[Left Coast]

I just think it confuses kids to imply it’s a choice whether they are a boy or girl and pressures them. It’s no different than telling kids they can choose their eye color when they already have brown eyes.

But they don't get told it's their choice. Being transgender isn't a choice.

 

[InChrist]

The scripture has our species starting off as dirt.

…And God-breathed spiritual life into that physical dirt.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

No, you have it wrong. Kids aren’t confused. They have an inerrant, innate sense of their neurological makers. At least that’s what I gather from this thread.

I’m not the one who’s confused— you don’t even know WHO you are! — Rafiki

Sounds like you are confused. Kids pick this up much faster.

 

[InChrist]

Lol. People buy all kinds of crazy contacts.

Contacts are not eyes.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So I’ve heard and read. Yet, my view still is that kids who are being encouraged to disregard their anatomy and choose their gender based on their feelings, are being manipulated, pressured, and confused.

And when you have worked as a child psychiatrist, let us know.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It needs to be understood that neurological activity is correlated with every human experience, but that is not to mean that correlation = causation. Neurologists are heavily biased to lean in that direction, though. Obviously.

Again, I am agnostic about how much effect the biological / neurological has on gender dysphoria, but to deny the social and subjective aspect completely is a losing position. It is completely short sighted and detached from reality. I would encourage people to pause and rethink continuing in that direction.

As I've said before, there is no clear white line between social and neurological/biological in any respects. Environment alters physiology all the time (yay epigenetics and gene switching). And all experience is subjective. Including experiencing pain from a papercut.

What I think is detached from reality is thinking trans people choose to be trans.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Can you explain what you’re saying or your point further?

The brain is under the impression of being a certain type of person while the genitalia make OTHER people assume something else.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Contacts are not eyes.

Technically you could get transplants.

 

[InChrist]

Do you get a certificate to confirm, straight from God? No? Then you DON’T.

God is Spirit. If you mean by certificate a piece of paper to confirm; God doesn’t hand out material paper certificates. Instead, He transforms lives through Christ and the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit.
I know I have been saved, have a transformed life in Christ, and eternal life.

 

[InChrist]

The brain is under the impression of being a certain type of person while the genitalia make OTHER people assume something else.

You are free to that perspective. I don’t think it’s realistic or rational.

 

[InChrist]

But they don't get told it's their choice. Being transgender isn't a choice.

Then why are so many choosing to transition back to their original biological sex and gender…. sadly, minus some of their body parts?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

As I've said before, there is no clear white line between social and neurological/biological in any respects. Environment alters physiology all the time (yay epigenetics and gene switching). And all experience is subjective. Including experiencing pain from a papercut.

What I think is detached from reality is thinking trans people choose to be trans.

As I’ve said before, gender is an imposed identity. The social influence is part of the imposition.

I do feel the need to push back on people denying the subjective response completely because, like I mentioned, it is spiritually suffocating and untrue to believe that we must identify with what is imposed on us.

 

[We Never Know]

As I’ve said before, gender is an imposed identity. The social influence is part of the imposition.

I do feel the need to push back on people denying the subjective response completely because, like I mentioned, it is spiritually suffocating and untrue to believe that we must identify with what is imposed on us.

Before puberty should be off limits. Puberty brings many changes.
After puberty if Bill still identifies as a Jill or Jill still identifies as a Bill, let them start treatment.

That's my humble opinion of course.