Transgenderism

[Left Coast]

It is being messaged to elementary school kids…

What Is The Gender Unicorn And How Is It Being Used In Schools?

Though many parents believe that schools have no business teaching their children about anything other than basic reading and math, most schools are now very committed to teaching children about gender identity. What many may not realize is how early in a child's school career t is being taught...

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I'm familiar with this. This is for teenagers. Even your own article explains this.

Genderbread Person v4.0 » The Genderbread Person

A teaching tool for breaking the big concept of gender down into bite-sized, digestible pieces.

www.genderbread.org

This is very similar to the unicorn. This would also be for teens.

“On March 1, 2021, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy (D) signed bill A4454 into law, mandating sexual orientation and gender identity instruction for K–12 schoolchildren. Instruction on these topics was set to begin in the classrooms by 2023. Earlier this month, State Senator Holly Schepisi (R) publicly released examples of proposed lesson plans—some of which have already been adopted in some districts.”


“After the boys and girls are subjected to a “game” in which they must identify the penis, urethra, testicles, scrotum, bladder, vulva, vagina, ovaries, fallopian tubes, urethral opening, and vaginal opening, the teacher is told: “Finally, advance to reveal the word ‘anus . . .’” (emphasis ours). Despite an admission from the teacher that the anus “doesn’t have anything to do with reproduction,” it is covered in the lesson plan on sexual and reproductive anatomy anyway. It’s clear that this isn’t about teaching biology, but ideology.”

Nope, it's about sexual education. Sex. I know that's icky and some people have been taught that it's inherently shameful and not to be discussed in polite company. But that doesn't help anybody. Sounds like totally reasonable teenage anatomy curriculum to me.

“The elementary school curriculum instructs children to have an emotion-based, subjective notion of identity rather than a biology-based, objective understanding of the self.

As long as nobody talks about anuses! Then biology is bad!

See, for example, this lesson for first grade:

This is a suggested lesson plan, meaning its not an example of something any student has actually been taught. But at least we're in the right age range now.

Notice the scare quotes placed around “girl” parts and “boy” parts, to problematize and blur distinctions. By contrast, psychologists and physicians tell parents that at this age, children need clear, simple distinctions and boundaries to give them a sense of order and security. Children typically divide their social world into simple categories. Deliberately dismantling boy–girl distinctions leads to insecurity in children and causes them to doubt their ability to move about confidently and interact with their social world.

Is there any actual, real-world evidence (in the form of scientific studies) that demonstrate this claim?

We understand and agree with the desire to be rid of rigid gender stereotypes of the past that led to gender discrimination. However, this curriculum is not about that. It overcompensates, asserting a radical new theory of childhood education premised on teaching gender fluidity from a very young age. There are no longitudinal studies on whether this new educational approach does harm or good to children. Therefore, such lesson plans are essentially an experiment on our children and could very well be unethical.”

Okay, so they are actually admitting that they don't know what they claimed about the allegedly damaging effects here. And the curriculum is very much about dismantling stereotypes - did you actually read it? What types of colors are boys and girls allowed to like? What types of jobs are boys and girls allowed to have?

Let me ask this: if they edited that problematic paragraph to say: "Some kids have boy parts but feel like a girl, and some kids have girl parts but feel like a boy." Would you be okay with it? At what age should students learn that trans people exist? Or should we never educate children that they exist at all, and pretend they aren't there?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You are pointing to a clear minority of species with no gender.

Actually, quite a significant number. No that it matters. The point is that just because there is sexual biology doesn't mean that the social concept of gender is necessarily valid in and of itself.

Right now, no we are not able to rise above the idea of gender nor should we want to. In sports for instance, not having separate male and female categories would have extreme undesirable affects on women.

Ah yes, sports categorisation. Literally the most important and necessary thing ever (as of the moment the question of trans people competing in sports became a popular talking point).

Sports have always had various weight classes, height and size restrictions, leagues and qualifiers, and people have always had genetic advantages that lead to better outcomes in sports. Trans people can be (and have been, FOR YEARS) integrated into sports without it making the playing field unfair.

Do you seriously think that the social concept of gender HAS to be stuck fast a rigid purely for the sake of... sports? Are you joking?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The things you’ve listed, like plastic surgery, glasses, etc. are cosmetic or aids to help with physical ailments.

Just like gender corrective surgery, yes.

Basically, transition surgeries are like those, being only cosmetic, since they can’t actually change a person’s genetics.

Agreed.

So why should these be advocated when sex change is physically impossible and frequently does not provide the long-term wholeness and happiness that people seek?

Firstly, I don't advocate for them. I advocate that people should be free to have them if they want, and that, in some cases, these can be provided for them specifically for the treatment of gender dysphoria, but I advocate for a society in which the concept of gender is no longer tied to certain physical or biological characteristics and therefore there is significantly less pressure put on people to get surgery in order to conform to their (or society's) idea of what they should look like.

Secondly, it's not "physically impossible". These people aren't trying to change their genes. They're changing their gender expression. Trans people are fully aware that they cannot change their biological gender - they go through surgeries in order to conform more with the idea of what they think they should look like, just like any other aesthetic surgery.

Third, your claim that it "doesn't provide the long-term wholeness and happiness that people seek" is just plain false. Studies show that, post transition, trans people have significantly better social and healthcare outcomes and are significantly less likely to self-harm or commit suicide.

Besides the long term detrimental health consequences?

There are none that I have studied. Do you have any studies to that effect?

 

[Estro Felino]

@ImmortalFlame
Just one question.
Do you think this family situation is normal?

Because in my country if a transwoman marries a ciswoman and have children together, the transwoman in question can never be considered a woman, juridically. The law will recognize her as a man, and as the father of her children.
Not only biological father but also legal father.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

@ImmortalFlame
Just one question.
Do you think this family situation is normal?

Because in my country if a transwoman marries a ciswoman and have children together, the transwoman in question can never be considered a woman, juridically. The law will recognize her as a man, and as the father of her children.
Not only biological father but also legal father.

What do you mean by "normal"?

Personally, I don't really care what your country considers. I think Italy is clearly a very fundamentally flawed and backwards society who are slowly vanishing in terms of international relevancy.

 

[Estro Felino]

What do you mean by "normal"?

Personally, I don't really care what your country considers. I think Italy is clearly a very fundamentally flawed and backwards society who are slowly vanishing in terms of international relevancy.

I asked you a question.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I asked you a question.

I asked you to define your terms.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Absolutely none of that has anything to do with the theory of evolution.

Did you even read the post?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The theory of evolution predicts all homosexuality should not exist.

No, it doesn't.

For information, homosexuality in animals is very different to that observed in humans and is human interpretation of the phenomena.

No, it isn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The theory of evolution has total, uncompromising reliance on natural selection and survival of the fittest through natural reproduction. Therefore homosexuality over the time evolution of the species is said to have occurred would have been eradicated from the gene pool. There’s absolutely no rational explanation for its existence using this theory. Scientists use it to guess natural selection outcomes all the time.

It seems you are completely unaware that plenty of homosexuals have children.

And you are clearly unaware of how evolution works.
It's not that black and white.

There's plenty of things in all species that are "sub optimal" for survival and reproductive success, but which aren't selected against because they go hand in hand with other things that are.

I've told you this before: you might want to read up on these subjects that you are hellbend on arguing against.

Also, while there likely is a genetic component to sexual orientation, it is not at all clear how big that role is and if it is even inheritable in the first place.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This seems like the inevitable end point in secular society.

The humanist vision is one of mutual tolerance, and it has been effective in increasing human well-being in the world, although it is still often thwarted by religious and authoritarian interests.

I am concerned about the trend and movement being pushed on kids.

Your comment was "what's wrong that or with being the unique individual person you are in the male body you were born with as it is?" I addressed that. Now you've moved the goalpost to children.

From what I’ve read and heard it seems like it’s being pushed.

Not from what I've read, but I suspect we have different sources of information.

And God-breathed spiritual life into that physical dirt.

There's another thread in which they're dicussing the silicate content of living cells. It turn out to be pretty low.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Have a good night.

This is the most significant comment I've seen in this thread. It was in response to, "My brain is also more female than male. Plus I was always struggling with myself and fighting with myself when I tried to be and live as male. But it wasn't to be, so much so I couldn't stand to look at myself in the mirror. But now I can. Why be what I'm just clearly not?" You seem indifferent to her struggles and her solutions. It's comments like hers that make me interested in seeing Christianity cease controlling the thinking of so many people, and keep my estimation of what it really is and does so low.

It's also why I say that it's 'love one another' is just lip service, and why humanism is a better worldview to get there. You're a Christian and look at what you want for the world - to keep boys boys and girls girls - as a good thing because of an irrational religious belief that a good god wants it. I want to her to feel comfortable in the world because that's what I want for myself. That's the difference.

 

[Father Heathen]

@ImmortalFlame
Just one question.
Do you think this family situation is normal?

Because in my country if a transwoman marries a ciswoman and have children together, the transwoman in question can never be considered a woman, juridically. The law will recognize her as a man, and as the father of her children.
Not only biological father but also legal father.

And in some countries they defecate in the street, so what's your point?

 

[Estro Felino]

And in some countries they defecate in the street, so what's your point?

In that situation a cisman married a ciswoman, and then transitioned to be a woman.
They still have sex.
Why did he transition in the first place?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

In that situation a cisman married a ciswoman, and then transitioned to be a woman.
They still have sex.
Why did he transition in the first place? Given that his life hasn't changed a bit. He still has sex with a woman and even impregnated her.

That's not what transsexuality is.

My best friend is a trans man. Before he transitioned, he had a child with his husband. That child now has two fathers.

Do they count?

 

[Father Heathen]

In that situation a cisman married a ciswoman, and then transitioned to be a woman.
They still have sex.
Why did he transition in the first place? Given that his life hasn't changed a bit. He still has sex with a woman and even impregnated her.

That's not what transsexuality is.

Who cares?

 

[metis]

I really don’t expect non-believers to care or consider what God thinks.

How do you know what God thinks dealing with transgenders?

 

[SkepticThinker]

If an adult wants to transition and attempt altering their physical body with hormones and surgeries that is their choice. I really don’t expect non-believers to care or consider what God thinks. I am concerned about the trend and movement being pushed on kids.

I’m not male; so not circumcised. I am female, but haven’t had estrogen supplements. No cataract surgery or lens implants either.

Why do you think it's being "pushed on kids?"

EDIT: I see that you've said it seems that way to you. Why and how does it "seem that way to you?"

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is being messaged to elementary school kids…

What Is The Gender Unicorn And How Is It Being Used In Schools?

Though many parents believe that schools have no business teaching their children about anything other than basic reading and math, most schools are now very committed to teaching children about gender identity. What many may not realize is how early in a child's school career t is being taught...

go2tutors.com

Genderbread Person v4.0 » The Genderbread Person

A teaching tool for breaking the big concept of gender down into bite-sized, digestible pieces.

www.genderbread.org

“On March 1, 2021, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy (D) signed bill A4454 into law, mandating sexual orientation and gender identity instruction for K–12 schoolchildren. Instruction on these topics was set to begin in the classrooms by 2023. Earlier this month, State Senator Holly Schepisi (R) publicly released examples of proposed lesson plans—some of which have already been adopted in some districts.”


“After the boys and girls are subjected to a “game” in which they must identify the penis, urethra, testicles, scrotum, bladder, vulva, vagina, ovaries, fallopian tubes, urethral opening, and vaginal opening, the teacher is told: “Finally, advance to reveal the word ‘anus . . .’” (emphasis ours). Despite an admission from the teacher that the anus “doesn’t have anything to do with reproduction,” it is covered in the lesson plan on sexual and reproductive anatomy anyway. It’s clear that this isn’t about teaching biology, but ideology.”

Wait, so you guys are up in arms about kids being taught the names of .... body parts?!

“The elementary school curriculum instructs children to have an emotion-based, subjective notion of identity rather than a biology-based, objective understanding of the self. See, for example, this lesson for first grade:

Good. We're al lot more than just our biological makeup, wouldn't you say?

Notice the scare quotes placed around “girl” parts and “boy” parts, to problematize and blur distinctions. By contrast, psychologists and physicians tell parents that at this age, children need clear, simple distinctions and boundaries to give them a sense of order and security. Children typically divide their social world into simple categories. Deliberately dismantling boy–girl distinctions leads to insecurity in children and causes them to doubt their ability to move about confidently and interact with their social world. We understand and agree with the desire to be rid of rigid gender stereotypes of the past that led to gender discrimination. However, this curriculum is not about that. It overcompensates, asserting a radical new theory of childhood education premised on teaching gender fluidity from a very young age. There are no longitudinal studies on whether this new educational approach does harm or good to children. Therefore, such lesson plans are essentially an experiment on our children and could very well be unethical.”

Sex and Gender Ideology in New Jersey’s K–12 Curriculum

New Jersey’s sample lessons for K–12 state-required sexual orientation and gender identity instruction sparked parental outrage. The sample curriculum contradicts basic biology, offers age-inappropriate lessons about sexual abuse, and imposes an LGBTQ religion on public school children. Nonetheless,

www.thepublicdiscourse.com

This sounds like nonsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

In that situation a cisman married a ciswoman, and then transitioned to be a woman.
They still have sex.
Why did he transition in the first place?

None of your business.

 

[Estro Felino]

None of your business.

The US Government is very discreet. They don't snoop around in the citizens' sex life. Good.