Transgenderism

[metis]

Yep I read it all. It had absolutely nothing to do with the original Theory of Evolution which has changed overtime to just ‘evolution’, even shrugging off what the likes of Darwin originally postulated. There’s no scientific reason, using the evolution model, to explain why homosexuality and transgenderism is rampant today, only oddball assumptions from the pseudoscience community. To say it happens as a result of ‘socialising’ is nothing to do with evolution.

The ToE does very much allow for why some people are gay, and the idea that it's "rampant today" probably s stems for the fact that those who are gay or transgender can now much more freely express themselves with less discrimination against them.

 

[metis]

Evolutionists always hypothesise conscious decision making was needed in order to survive and was a motivating factor in the likes of hominid evolution.

We are from being the only species that makes "conscious decision making".

 

[Apostle John]

The ToE does very much allow for why some people are gay, and the idea that it's "rampant today" probably s stems for the fact that those who are gay or transgender can now much more freely express themselves with less discrimination against them.

Well I don’t believe the ToE or evolution has anything informative to say about homosexuality, I think it’s prevalence is more to do with conditioning experiences when young, like grooming.

We are from being the only species that makes "conscious decision making".

Chimpanzees use tools, sticks to extract ants, stones to break open shell fish and nuts, birds and squirrels etc acquire skills to get/extract food. They learn through thinking and are of course not human.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Back to topic, I’ve seen accounts of young boys being forced to dress in girls clothes and they had identity issues because of it growing up.

That's calles abuse and isn't what leads to gender dysphoria.
How about learning about this before broadcasting your ignorance?

What church was that? I don’t believe it’s possible for a good, Christian, Bible believing Church to mislead anyone.

The same Church that told me lied to me about what science is and what motivates scientists.

 

[dybmh]

at this age, children need clear, simple distinctions and boundaries to give them a sense of order and security. Children typically divide their social world into simple categories. Deliberately dismantling boy–girl distinctions leads to insecurity in children and causes them to doubt their ability to move about confidently and interact with their social world.

I don't think you need to worry about this, InChrist.

If I understand, young children aren't susceptible to influence regarding questioning their gender. If the lessons do not result in this sort of questioning, then their sense of order and security is not compromised. To the contrary, teaching children inclusion from an early age can have many benefits. For those adolescents who are susceptible to be influenced to reject their gender, IF that's even happening, one theory is that they often do so as a result of feeling excluded. If so, then the right thing to do is encourage inclusion, the earlier the better.

 

[Apostle John]

How about learning about this before broadcasting your ignorance?

The same Church that told me lied to me about what science is and what motivates scientists.

I have knowledge what motivates scientists having been at the cutting edge of research in the 90s. Many I experienced were egotistical, some megalomaniacal and very self-ambitious, craving adulation and admiration from peers and subordinates. One supervisor openly encouraged his students to lie because, as he put it, “they all do it”. He later told me he was a *******. I witnessed another supervisor berate someone for lying, having absolutely no reason or evidence, the student denied it. Three coworkers independently came up to me and said he was a ******* and I overheard a fourth say that as well. I thought he was reasonable to work for but was glad to get out of that culture eventually.

I much prefer now being a child of God.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have knowledge what motivates scientists having been at the cutting edge of research in the 90s. Many I experienced were egotistical, some megalomaniacal and very self-ambitious, craving adulation and admiration from peers and subordinates. One supervisor openly encouraged his students to lie because, as he put it, “they all do it”. He later told me he was a *******. I witnessed another supervisor berate someone for lying, having absolutely no reason or evidence, the student denied it. Three coworkers independently came up to me and said he was a ******* and I overheard a fourth say that as well. I thought he was reasonable to work for but was glad to get out of that culture eventually.

I much prefer now being a child of God.

What are you going on about?

 

[Apostle John]

What are you going on about?

The spirit of stupor.

 

[Father Heathen]

Surely. Nobody can blame someone if they have very specific sexual preferences.

Or perhaps love transcends all that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have knowledge what motivates scientists having been at the cutting edge of research in the 90s. Many I experienced were egotistical, some megalomaniacal and very self-ambitious, craving adulation and admiration from peers and subordinates. One supervisor openly encouraged his students to lie because, as he put it, “they all do it”. He later told me he was a *******. I witnessed another supervisor berate someone for lying, having absolutely no reason or evidence, the student denied it. Three coworkers independently came up to me and said he was a ******* and I overheard a fourth say that as well. I thought he was reasonable to work for but was glad to get out of that culture eventually.

I much prefer now being a child of God.

None of that demonstrates you was in a science related field.

 

[Jainarayan]

I think it’s prevalence is more to do with conditioning experiences when young, like grooming.

Really!!?? My father and mother were born in 1908 and 1913, respectively. They were first generation Italian-Americans. I was born in 1957. My older brothers and sisters were grown and married as I was growing up. My husband is first generation Puerto Rican, born in 1961, meaning he was born in the US. His parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles were born on the island. We know how homophobic Latino culture can be. Gay men and women who were gay were closeted. It wasn't discussed. Who groomed us in those days or at any time? Instead of grasping at straws, grasp for a raft, because you're drowning.

 

[Viker]

Really!!?? My father and mother were born in 1908 and 1913, respectively. They were first generation Italian-Americans. I was born in 1957. My older brothers and sisters were grown and married as I was growing up. My husband is first generation Puerto Rican, born in 1961, meaning he was born in the US. His parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles were born on the island. We know how homophobic Latino culture can be. Gay men and women who were gay were closeted. It wasn't discussed. Who groomed us in those days or at any time? Instead of grasping at straws, grasp for a raft, because you're drowning.

: Winner: frubal

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think you need to worry about this, InChrist.

If I understand, young children aren't susceptible to influence regarding questioning their gender. If the lessons do not result in this sort of questioning, then their sense of order and security is not compromised. To the contrary, teaching children inclusion from an early age can have many benefits. For those adolescents who are susceptible to be influenced to reject their gender, IF that's even happening, one theory is that they often do so as a result of feeling excluded. If so, then the right thing to do is encourage inclusion, the earlier the better.

Yup. Some people even identify as vampires. Those are people who frequently have known nothing but social rejection, exclusion, and so direly in need of somewhere to belong as it seems their minds have found it easier to accept such a story than dealing with what must be excruciating mental anguish. I haven't studied this in depth, but from what I have seen they need a hug and a place to belong because their minds have found the pain and lonliness from a life of rejection and exclusion to be literally unbearable so they cease identifying as human.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That’s a true pity, especially if it turns out that transitioning is not the answer.

My best friend growing up transitioned to female. In her case it seemed the right decision. As male, he was conflicted, confused, unhappy in every way. For years before she began transitioning, she had to see therapist after therapist, doctor after doctor of all kinds of specialties. She even went to John’s Hopkins in Baltimore for consultations. Finally she was determined to be eligible to transition. This all took place in the late 1970s.

However, it was in slow small steps … affecting female appearance, i.e. her clothing, hairstyles, etc. Then came the hormone treatments. I don’t know if she ever had surgery because we lost touch. I did I come to find out that was living fully as a woman, and was now finally happy. I found out not too long ago, through Facebook of all places, that she passed away. I saw a response to condolence messages to her family from a sister who said (paraphrasing) she lived her life her way, was happy and made other people happy.

But it should come as no surprise that everything is instant this, instant that today. And what if transitioning is not the answer? Maybe hormonal changes can be reversed, but once the surgery is done …

Yes, that's the problem - there used to be much stricter standards for this. Not all of those standards were just (such as demanding that a person end up identifying as heterosexual after their transition), but others were definitely needed. Personally, I think transitioning should be for adults. I wouldn't even recommend a minor socially transition in most cases. I couldn't imagine going through that in high school, dealing with family you have to live with, etc. It's a huge deal and young people aren't the best equipped to handle it, even in the best cases. Especially when it's literally sterilizing themselves. Especially when you consider puberty blockers, which they are lying when they say they are totally reversible. They have no idea if it is or isn't. There's not much data about it, but there are concerns such permanent damage to bone health, neurological problems and complete loss of sexual function. So they are already blatantly lying to patients right off the bat.

Myself, I lived as a man for 5 years before I got on testosterone at 24. I was beyond ready. I do think one should be established in their preferred gender/sex and very stable in how they perceive themselves before being allowed hormones or any further. One should not rush into things and should take time to reflect and consider everything.

As for hormones, some of it is reversible but a lot of it isn't, especially with testosterone. It permanently changes your voice, your hairline (including male pattern baldness), you grow facial hair and male body hair, it thickens the ligaments and tendons, thickens the blood from higher production of red blood cells, causes significant changes to the genitals that don't just stop at some point, vaginal atrophy, etc. One shot can be enough to make your voice start changing. It's a very powerful hormone and you can't just go back from it. Estrogens cause permanent changes, too, like breast growth. Both cause loss of sexual function and fertility issues that may or may not be permanent.

RIP to your friend. I'm sure she's in a better place.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Beyond this. Medical professionals who perform transition surgery on minors will be prosecuted.

Suppose the parents don't want to press charges? (which would be expected, since they're probably the ones paying)

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yep I read it all. It had absolutely nothing to do with the original Theory of Evolution which has changed overtime to just ‘evolution’, even shrugging off what the likes of Darwin originally postulated. There’s no scientific reason, using the evolution model, to explain why homosexuality and transgenderism is rampant today, only oddball assumptions from the pseudoscience community. To say it happens as a result of ‘socialising’ is nothing to do with evolution.

It talks about how things in genetics are inherited by off spring.
It talks about selection processes and what will and will not be picked up by natural selection for what reason.

How has that "nothing to do with evolution"?



Having said that... homosexuality etc aren't "more rampant" today then at any other time in history.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Come on, evolutionists always talk about socialising being a driving factor in evolution in higher order animals.

What on earth are you blabbing about?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well I don’t believe the ToE or evolution has anything informative to say about homosexuality, I think it’s prevalence is more to do with conditioning experiences when young, like grooming.

You can believe what you want. What you express here as your belief completely flies in the face of all the evidence, but as with so many of your beliefs, you clearly don't care about that.

Chimpanzees use tools, sticks to extract ants, stones to break open shell fish and nuts, birds and squirrels etc acquire skills to get/extract food. They learn through thinking and are of course not human.

Correct. Humans aren't the only species that are capable of planning, tool creating, tool use and learning.

 

[Apostle John]

Really!!?? My father and mother were born in 1908 and 1913, respectively. They were first generation Italian-Americans. I was born in 1957. My older brothers and sisters were grown and married as I was growing up. My husband is first generation Puerto Rican, born in 1961, meaning he was born in the US. His parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles were born on the island. We know how homophobic Latino culture can be. Gay men and women who were gay were closeted. It wasn't discussed. Who groomed us in those days or at any time? Instead of grasping at straws, grasp for a raft, because you're drowning.

I clearly stated ‘it’s prevalence’. I don’t doubt it is a disposition set at birth for most but science declares its to do with being social. So when it spreads, like it did in Ancient Greece becoming normalised I think grooming can have something to do with it.

 

[metis]

Well I don’t believe the ToE or evolution has anything informative to say about homosexuality, I think it’s prevalence is more to do with conditioning experiences when young, like grooming.

Absolutely false as our sexual attraction is more a matter of our hormone level. Here: Hormone - Wikipedia

As an example, if you are heterosexual, picture yourself having sex with another man and see how that hits ya.