Transgenderism

[Left Coast]

Then why are so many choosing to transition back to their original biological sex and gender…. sadly, minus some of their body parts?

Well a) when you say "so many," how many is it? As a percentage of all people who transition, I mean? b) Choosing to transition in one way or another is different than being transgender. Being trans isn't a choice.

 

[Jainarayan]

From what I’ve read and heard it seems like it’s being pushed. How can Kindergartners not feel confused or pressured when they are asked by teachers or read books about deciding if they’re a boy or girl?

Then why are so many choosing to transition back to their original biological sex and gender…. sadly, minus some of their body parts?

That's at least two generalizations you've made trying to bolster your claims of the evils of transitioning, but what are the supporting sources? Are there statistics from reliable studies or sources? What school districts are permitting teachers to broach the subject in classrooms? Who are these who are "choosing to transition back to their original biological sex and gender"?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Before puberty should be off limits. Puberty brings many changes.
After puberty if Bill still identifies as a Jill or Jill still identifies as a Bill, let them start treatment.

That's my humble opinion of course.

This seems like the inevitable end point in secular society.

 

[We Never Know]

This seems like the inevitable end point in secular society.

How so?

 

[Left Coast]

This seems like the inevitable end point in secular society.

Providing people appropriate healthcare is "the inevitable endpoint in secular society?" Sign me up!

 

[Treasure Hunter]

How so?

Policy, legislation. It’s already happening. It will be based on age, but the idea is the same.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay, you have some different qualities or features for a guy and/or features that seem female. But what’s wrong that or with being the unique individual person you are in the male body you were born with as it is?

My brain is also more female than male. Plus I was always struggling with myself amd fighting with myself when I tried to be and live as male. But it wasn't to be, so much so I couldn't stand to look at myself in the mirror. But now I can.
Why be what I'm juat clearly not?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I’ve read numerous accounts by those who have transitioned, then detransitioned. In every case the person said they struggled with other issues, such as; anxieties, autism, ADHD, OCD, depression, self-cutting, eating disorders, and others which were not addressed by counselors or medical personnel during their transition process. Instead, they were sped through to hormone treatment and then surgeries.

Transgender Detransitioners Got Poor Care When Transitioning

Over 50% of transgender people who transitioned but then regretted their decision and detransitioned felt they did not receive adequate assessment beforehand. Many had experienced internalized homophobia.

www.medscape.com

That just demonstrates the need for proper screening and adhering to the Standars of Care.

 

[We Never Know]

Policy, legislation. It’s already happening. It will be based on age, but the idea is the same.

Based on age... You mean like smoking, driving, drinking, etc

 

[TLK Valentine]

Equal does not mean all exactly the same. Different roles or positions do not equate inequality. Christ Himself demonstrated this.

It's not about different roles or positions -- it's about being denied certain roles or positions because of... what, exactly?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not that the trend is being "pushed on kids," it's that kids now have more freedom to express themselves and be honest about who they are, and society is more open to accepting that and not treating them like they're just delusional (or worse, evil).

That said, even I think sometimes the message to kids is a bit out there... but even when it is a bad message, the answer to a bad message is a good message -- not arresting the messenger.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Before puberty should be off limits. Puberty brings many changes.
After puberty if Bill still identifies as a Jill or Jill still identifies as a Bill, let them start treatment.

That's my humble opinion of course.

Best we leave those thing to the experts and not laymen.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then why are so many choosing to transition back to their original biological sex and gender…. sadly, minus some of their body parts?

How many is that? Because the highest estimates out there are at 8% -- which means a 92% satisfaction rate, which is pretty impressive.
The low end is at less than 1%.

(Source: Access to care and frequency of detransition among a cohort discharged by a UK national adult gender identity clinic: retrospective case-note review )

 

[InChrist]

My brain is also more female than male. Plus I was always struggling with myself amd fighting with myself when I tried to be and live as male. But it wasn't to be, so much so I couldn't stand to look at myself in the mirror. But now I can.
Why be what I'm juat clearly not?

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Have a good night.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Contacts are not eyes.

About 20 years ago I had lasers shot into my eyes to give myself 20/20 vision. I regret nothing.

For about $4000-$10,000, I can change my eye color just as easily: Eye Color Change Surgery (Does It Work and Is It Safe?)

Now, I like my eye color, but if I didn't and I had the money, why shouldn't I?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Policy, legislation. It’s already happening. It will be based on age, but the idea is the same.

Right -- the age being 18.
Minors can get surgery with their parents' permission (which almost goes without saying, since surgery ain't cheap).
This isn't "already happening"; it's already happened.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Right -- the age being 18.
Minors can get surgery with their parents' permission (which almost goes without saying, since surgery ain't cheap).
This isn't "already happening"; it's already happened.

Beyond this. Medical professionals who perform transition surgery on minors will be prosecuted.

 

[Left Coast]

That said, even I think sometimes the message to kids is a bit out there... but even when it is a bad message, the answer to a bad message is a good message -- not arresting the messenger.

To be honest I see very little of this stuff being messaged to kids at all (talking about elementary school kids or younger). I don't have children of my own so perhaps I'm just not around it? What's a typical message?

 

[InChrist]

To be honest I see very little of this stuff being messaged to kids at all (talking about elementary school kids or younger). I don't have children of my own so perhaps I'm just not around it? What's a typical message?

It is being messaged to elementary school kids…

What Is The Gender Unicorn And How Is It Being Used In Schools?

Though many parents believe that schools have no business teaching their children about anything other than basic reading and math, most schools are now very committed to teaching children about gender identity. What many may not realize is how early in a child's school career t is being taught...

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“On March 1, 2021, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy (D) signed bill A4454 into law, mandating sexual orientation and gender identity instruction for K–12 schoolchildren. Instruction on these topics was set to begin in the classrooms by 2023. Earlier this month, State Senator Holly Schepisi (R) publicly released examples of proposed lesson plans—some of which have already been adopted in some districts.”


“After the boys and girls are subjected to a “game” in which they must identify the penis, urethra, testicles, scrotum, bladder, vulva, vagina, ovaries, fallopian tubes, urethral opening, and vaginal opening, the teacher is told: “Finally, advance to reveal the word ‘anus . . .’” (emphasis ours). Despite an admission from the teacher that the anus “doesn’t have anything to do with reproduction,” it is covered in the lesson plan on sexual and reproductive anatomy anyway. It’s clear that this isn’t about teaching biology, but ideology.”


“The elementary school curriculum instructs children to have an emotion-based, subjective notion of identity rather than a biology-based, objective understanding of the self. See, for example, this lesson for first grade:

Gender Identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feellike you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl. You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are “girl” parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are “boy” parts. And you might not feel like you’re a boy or a girl, but you’re a little bit of both. No matter how you feel, you’re perfectly normal! (emphasis ours)

Notice the scare quotes placed around “girl” parts and “boy” parts, to problematize and blur distinctions. By contrast, psychologists and physicians tell parents that at this age, children need clear, simple distinctions and boundaries to give them a sense of order and security. Children typically divide their social world into simple categories. Deliberately dismantling boy–girl distinctions leads to insecurity in children and causes them to doubt their ability to move about confidently and interact with their social world. We understand and agree with the desire to be rid of rigid gender stereotypes of the past that led to gender discrimination. However, this curriculum is not about that. It overcompensates, asserting a radical new theory of childhood education premised on teaching gender fluidity from a very young age. There are no longitudinal studies on whether this new educational approach does harm or good to children. Therefore, such lesson plans are essentially an experiment on our children and could very well be unethical.”

Sex and Gender Ideology in New Jersey’s K–12 Curriculum

New Jersey’s sample lessons for K–12 state-required sexual orientation and gender identity instruction sparked parental outrage. The sample curriculum contradicts basic biology, offers age-inappropriate lessons about sexual abuse, and imposes an LGBTQ religion on public school children. Nonetheless,

www.thepublicdiscourse.com

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Notice the scare quotes placed around “girl” parts and “boy” parts, to problematize and blur distinctions.

Yup, notice alk those editirialized bits and inserted spooky workds and absurd claim most parents apparently don't want their kids learning science, history or social studies.

Though many parents believe that schools have no business teaching their children about anything other than basic reading and math,​

Nothing beyond basic math.
No wonder this country is dumb enoughto point it must import brain power.