Transgenders

[Shadow Wolf]

Not with respect to whether it's a choice but whether it is an inherently broken lifestyle.

How is it broken? They live normal lives just like anyone else.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

It seems to me that your opposition is rooted in a specific set of religious beliefs rather than any scientific or medical reasons.

I certainly wouldn't mind being proved wrong about that, but your posts in this thread have done nothing so far to change my impression; actually, they have only furthered it.

I believe that you judge a tree by its fruit. For starters, go look at the fruit by comparing the health of married couples (heterosexual) to that of cohabiting couples as well as homosexuals.

 

[Penumbra]

I believe that you judge a tree by its fruit. For starters, go look at the fruit by comparing the health of married couples (heterosexual) to that of cohabiting couples as well as homosexuals.

Let's Ask Lesbians to Raise All the Children: A Study Shows They Raise Smarter, Stronger Kids

The study, entitled "Adolescents with Lesbian Mothers Describe Their Own Lives," found that 17-year-olds with two mothers tended to have higher GPAs, strong family bonds, and considered their mothers to be good role models.

The study:
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...lfs-adolescents-with-lesbian-mothers-2012.pdf

A) This thread is called 'Transgenders'. Sexual orientation and gender identity are distinct.
B) I'm pretty sure that regardless of the fruit, the goalposts will simply be moved.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Something interesting about kids raised by homosexuals is that they have a higher rate of actually practicing that lifestyle themselves. I'm pretty sure that's not even in dispute.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I believe that you judge a tree by its fruit. For starters, go look at the fruit by comparing the health of married couples (heterosexual) to that of cohabiting couples as well as homosexuals.

Something else interesting about kids raised by homosexuals is that they have a higher rate of actually practicing that lifestyle themselves. I'm pretty sure that's not even in dispute.

The fact that you keep bringing up the topic of homosexuality in a thread about transgenders makes me think that you're putting people into two sets only, which are 'heterosexual' and 'everything else'.

I think that's another indication that your arguments are strictly based on certain religious beliefs without any regard for whether or not those beliefs are in agreement with modern science (which seems to disagree, too).

 

[methylatedghosts]

Not with respect to whether it's a choice but whether it is an inherently broken lifestyle. I don't doubt that for many people it isn't a choice. I do believe it is for some people however.

A video about the gay lifestyle...

LZ Granderson: The myth of the gay agenda | Video on TED.com

 

[-Peacemaker-]

The fact that you keep bringing up the topic of homosexuality in a thread about transgenders makes me think that you're putting people into two sets only, which are 'heterosexual' and 'everything else'.

I think that's another indication that your arguments are strictly based on certain religious beliefs without any regard for whether or not those beliefs are in agreement with modern science (which seems to disagree, too).

In fairness they do group themselves together: LBGT. I'm also guessing that there's alot of overlap in these classifications.

 

[LuisDantas]

I figured you'd pull that card. FWIW, I actually did some research on some of the studies regarding homosexuality. It was pretty eye opening stuff and from my pov appeared as if there's alot the homosexual community isn't telling us about their chosen lifestyle. To be fair to those who defend that lifestyle as well as oppose it, there's alot of people PHDs on both sides of the debate which makes one asks the question "are people really bowing down to science or just the scientists who are saying what they want to hear?" Apart from research on some of the studies exploring XY and XX chromosomes, I haven't taken the time to actually read a scientist's commentary on transgenderism because I don't need a PHD to see that such a person has a problem in the head and the heart. I also am a long way from believing it's possible to have the brain of one sex and the body of another. I don't doubt there are probably characteristics of a male transgender brain that resemble that of a woman, but to have a brain that is indistinguishable from that of a woman sounds like science fiction.

Sorry, but I fear that you need a very different attitude towards the whole matter.

Unless I am misreading you grossly, you are trying to prove a point - and a very misguided one at that - instead of trying to understand what homosexuality and transgenderism both are and what they mean to the people that present it.

Neither is a choice. Neither is to be judged by current scientific knowledge over the actual observed feelings and behavior of real people. And neither deserves to be taken so flipplantly as you are attempting to.

 

[LuisDantas]

Something interesting about kids raised by homosexuals is that they have a higher rate of actually practicing that lifestyle themselves. I'm pretty sure that's not even in dispute.

You're wrong.

Mind you, even if you were right, that would hardly justify your blunt rejection and mistrust.

 

[Maya3]

Something interesting about kids raised by homosexuals is that they have a higher rate of actually practicing that lifestyle themselves. I'm pretty sure that's not even in dispute.

Yes you are wrong.

And there is no practiced lifestyle here.
Again, you ought to do some real research on these subjects, you come across as extremely ignorant and uneducated.

Maya

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In fairness they do group themselves together I'm also guessing that there's alot of overlap in these classifications LBGT. I'm also guessing that there's alot of overlap in these classifications.

Actually many of us want to break away from that particular group, because sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate issues, and it does cause confusion. Gender identity is the gender you identify as, man, woman, both, neither, and so on while sexual orientation is who you are sexually attracted to. But because some people see us as "it" and think we are hacked up, we need all the help we can get even if it does cause confusion.

Something interesting about kids raised by homosexuals is that they have a higher rate of actually practicing that lifestyle themselves. I'm pretty sure that's not even in dispute.

It's highly disputed, and has been proven to be wrong.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

So annoying when straight people call homosexuality a "lifestyle." It's a
sexual orientation a gay person can have the same "lifestyle" as a straight person, they are attracted to the same sex.... And unless you're a homophobe (well judging by your comments I would say you probably are) even if children from gay parents were hypothetically more likely to be gay then people of straight parents, what's the problem? Only reason why that would be a "bad" thing is if you think being gay is a "bad" thing.

Anyway you are wrong, you know how I know? Because straight couples keep producing gay children, even in a homophobic world, go figure.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

So annoying when straight people call homosexuality a "lifestyle." It's a
sexual orientation a gay person can have the same "lifestyle" as a straight person, they are attracted to the same sex.... And unless you're a homophobe (well judging by your comments I would say you probably are) even if children from gay parents were hypothetically more likely to be gay then people of straight parents, what's the problem? Only reason why that would be a "bad" thing is if you think being gay is a "bad" thing.

Anyway you are wrong, you know how I know? Because straight couples keep producing gay children, even in a homophobic world, go figure.

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

Except being gay isn't a crime is it? It's not worthy of 25 to life so please don't compare it to murder, thanks.
They weren't born with a burden, it's other people who make their lives difficult.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

We've been through this before, Peacemaker. I can assure you that I've had impulses to drink alcohol, to eat sugary sweets, and to buy a cute pair of shoes. Sexual orientation is WAY different than simple preferences. It's as deeply ingrained as you feel about your heterosexual attractions.

What is the result of acting on these - so you say - "impulses"? Just for the sake of argument. What is the absolute worst that can happen in a loving homosexual relationship?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

Except there is no burden. The only problems that ever arise from homosexuality are the ones that people who oppose it throw at it.

 

[Maya3]

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

hmm, so what about the "impulse" you feel for your wife or husband?
They are just impulses right? Really why don't you stop acting on it?

And when did you choose the straight lifestyle?

Maya

 

[Flankerl]

Actually many of us want to break away from that particular group, because sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate issues, and it does cause confusion. Gender identity is the gender you identify as, man, woman, both, neither, and so on while sexual orientation is who you are sexually attracted to. But because some people see us as "it" and think we are hacked up, we need all the help we can get even if it does cause confusion.

Indeed.

 

[LuisDantas]

If I acted on every inclination I ever had I'd probably be doing 25 to life. I'm not saying that these people weren't born with an extra burden. I'm saying that from my perspective, having that burden still does not justify acting on these impulses

In other words, you don't believe that homosexuality exists, and take it for some sort of vice instead.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Sexual orientation is WAY different than simple preferences. It's as deeply ingrained as you feel about your heterosexual attractions.

You really don't need to convince me of this. I do believe you. Every married man or woman has at one time probably felt the urge to have sex with someone other than their spouse. Just because one feels an inclination/desire does not mean that it is necessarily healthy to pursue.