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Trump commutes sentence of Alice Marie Johnson

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What? It is not about a “high bar”. If he is a murderer, he is a murderer. There is nothing he can do that will change that.

Yes, but his term would be judged by his total bad deeds and good deeds. How many lives would be have to save to make up for the one that he took?

After all this is wildly hypothetical.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
First off I did not praise the man. I noted how rarely that he gets anything right. In no way at all did I discount his screw ups. But sadly you have just demonstrated that you cannot treat the man fairly. If by some miracle he actually started to be a decent President you would still condemn him.

I would still like to see him out of office, but Pence is not much better.
What differences would you expect in Pence's agendas?
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Pence is less likely to continue what could be a disastrous trade war.
There are so many more things to consider.
To name just a few....
- NK negotiations
- Iran conflict
- Israel quagmire
- Regulation reform
- Chinese expansion
- USSC judge nomination
- National defense
- Military spending & priorities
- Tax reform
- Border security
- Domestic surveillance
- Prison reform
- Tort reform
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are so many more things to consider.
To name just a few....
- NK negotiations
- Iran conflict
- Israel quagmire
- Regulation reform
- Chinese expansion
- USSC judge nomination
- National defense
- Military spending & priorities
- Tax reform
- Border security
- Domestic surveillance
- Prison reform
- Tort reform
I don't need a whole list of the screw ups that Pence is likely to saddle us with, I am already depressed enough.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Yes, but his term would be judged by his total bad deeds and good deeds. How many lives would be have to save to make up for the one that he took?

After all this is wildly hypothetical.
No, it doesn’t work that way. You cannot take a human life and then pay it back like you were taking a 5 dollar bill out of petty cash. Human lives are not fungible.

But it was my hypothetical so that is all I will say about that. But my point was that there are some things that you cannot indo or make up for. If the President commits treason he will always be the guy who committed treason. If he enriches himself at the expense of the people he is supposed to serve he will always be the guy who did that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, it doesn’t work that way. You cannot take a human life and then pay it back like you were taking a 5 dollar bill out of petty cash. Human life is not fungible.

But it was my hypothetical so that is all I will say about that. But my point was that there are some things that you cannot info or make up for. If the President commits treason he will always be the guy who committed treason. If he enriches himself at the expense of the people he is supposed to serve he will always be the guy who did that.
Who knows "how it works". At any rate I have no faith that Trump will "see the light". There will be no redemptive acts from him.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Let's just get this out of the way early: "He is literally Hitler!" :D


I saw a few folks hinting at it, but it takes a bold headline before I figure it out.


Nah I think current Clinton looks more akin to Emperor Palpatine.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's really sad and pathetic how society still views and cannabis. But instead of money and efforts into learning about drug addiction and treatment and raising awareness of and discouraging of drug abuse in general. Not this silly list that is basically "the deadlier the more legal" that propagandizes views that are based on arbitrary nonsense and often originally had racist motives tagging along with science so crappy even doctors and scientists were lined up saying "no." It would be nice if Trump is not taking as harsh of a stance as he said he would on drugs. But time will tell. It may be Trump is more willing to pardon those who impress him, and on behalf of those who do.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wonder if in the back of his mind Pence wishes for Trump's downfall so that he can step in. I can't imagine such a fundie having a sincere like of Trump beneath the surface.
Sincerity is hard to detect in politicians.
(They typically aren't as caring & empathic as I am.)
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
But it is not like she was the kingpin. She ain’t El Chapo. She was a low level messenger. I am not excusing what she did, but it is not like she is going to go back into crime now.

I get that and I'd say it doesn't make sense to waste any more tax dollars to keep her behind bars but she knew what she was involved in much like the driver of a get away car at a robbery, still part of the process.
. I think most of us have either seen first hand or second hand the toll the drug trade, especially the harder ones, have had and continue to have on our society.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I get that and I'd say it doesn't make sense to waste any more tax dollars to keep her behind bars but she knew what she was involved in much like the driver of a get away car at a robbery, still part of the process.
. I think most of us have either seen first hand or second hand the toll the drug trade, especially the harder ones, have had and continue to have on our society.
There's the matter of proportion.
 
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Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
I think empathy in politicians is founded in that it will benefit them in terms of being re-elected or approval ratings, not from them actually being genuinely concerned for another's well being.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Like charity from a corporation. They aren't doing it to be nice or for the good of others, no corporate entity in existence has given to charity for the sole reason of giving to charity. They do it for tax cuts, maybe the do it in order to get more funding or appear that they are spending it for charity but re-purpose it unde the table. Example, friend works for a law firm, law firm had some charitable 6 month long deal helping inner city kids, they guy in charge of this said program had $200,000 budget to facilitate the project. But they rented some run down community center, the interns did most of the teaching and community service with the kids, and used already existing office supplies.

They may have actually spent tops $20,000, they got a tax cut for the 200k they spent though, what happened to the rest of the money? Bonuses for the execs in charge? the ones that literally during that 6 months never even saw one of those kids in person.

Charity is a look good reason to launder money and appear to be something better than you actually are. The only time charity counts in my book is when it happens on an individual basis.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
No. Like you guys don't get it. This is the same so-called president who pardoned a sailor who admitted to being found guilty for taking classified pictures of a submarine. This is the same guy who claims he could pardoned himself. I'm not impressed, his failures as a president will always overshadow what he has done in his presidency. I mean you guys can praise the man for bringing back 7lb 8oz baby Jesus back and I'd still wont be impressed.


Sooo...you sayin' Trump should not have pardoned a black female drug dealer?
 
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