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Trump "Tearing U.S. Apart"?

It Aint Necessarily So

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If he is truly mentally ill, then it could be argued that he is incapacitated and unable to carry out the functions of his office.

He's considered a malignant narcissist, a sociopath, and a pathological liar. Look at his performances surrounding Charlottesville and the Houston tragedy. It's all about him, and he showed no empathy at all for victims.

Furthermore, there is increasing evidence of dementia. He wandered away from of a press conference with the Prime Minister of Israel while it was still happening. He wandered away from a bill signing without signing the bill. He wandered off from his own motorcade on the tarmac. And his speeches are rambling and incoherent suggesting that he often doesn’t know where he’s at or who he’s addressing, as when he told a group of Boy Scouts about his friend’s sexual escapades on a yacht.

Our electoral system may also still be vulnerable to someone even worse coming to power.

Yes, very much so.

Another medical analogy that I consider apt relates to AIDS. In a society like America's, the only defense against admitting people like Trump into the White House are the wisdom and good character of the electorate. These would be America's immunity against opportunists like Trump. The destruction of these renders a corpus susceptible to opportunistic infections, which describes Trump perfectly - an opportunistic infection of daily life. This is an idea consistent with those claiming that Trump is not the cause of America's problems, but a symptom of them.

And what was the needle, transfusion, or unsafe sexual practice that led to this? What made this electorate so incompetent? I'd blame incessant conservative political commentary intended to deceive rather than inform. Somehow, it convinced much of America that Hillary was the greater of evils, and that a fraudulent, bullying, vengeful, pathologically lying sexual predator was acceptable - people swayed by the slogan on a cap and a series of promises that there was no reason to think would be kept.

As indicated, I consider this process to be in an irreversible downward spiral. Sure, like almost everybody else, I wish it were otherwise. But what reason is there to think that it is?

For those that don't want to consider such ideas - people that want hope more than truth - I apologize to you, but I happen to think that when a pessimistic view is justified, one should hold it. False hope, however comforting, only compounds the problem.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Has that ground not been trod enuf last year?

That's the same answer you gave me when I asked you a few months back how a seemingly decent and intelligent person like you could conclude that Hillary was a worse choice than Trump, when it was clear to you that I could not have seen what you posted last year given my March 1, 2017 registry onto RF.

Whatever your reasons might have been or still are now, they could easily be summarized in a single post. But like here again, you declined to do so then.

So, I filled in the blanks myself with what seemed to most likely be the case - you really didn't want to try to defend that choice now.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
It's not a matter of either/or but a matter of degrees. Like someone just posted a short time ago, he's thrown fuel on the fires-- a lot of it.
I said Trump is not tearing us apart. Trump is president because we were already torn apart. You said nah. Well, then where were we not torn apart?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Low expectations is the secret to happiness.
Anymore, I'm realizing that attitude is holding me back, hindering my happiness, and acting a bit paranoid. I used to think it was a good mindset, but it has me aiming too low, and being comfortable with it.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
See post 48. It's not like there aren't agreements on some things, Trump doesn't even care about what little we do agree on. He's making the majority of his own base go "woah man that's not what we meant".
Trump "Tearing U.S. Apart"?
Transgender issues were rampant before Trump. Look at the bathroom issues? Trump represents a side of America that people like to pretend wasn't there. We were already torn apart. And worse, it's not Trump, it is us. With the state of affairs. The least we can do is take responsibility rather than try to blame someone else like Trump does the media.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Perhaps "redneck" is a bit unfair. Maybe rural 'red state' folk as a kinder, broader designation? I know that people outside of this demographic also voted Trump, but the country bumpkin sort were the bulk of the vote.

If you think slinging names around solves anything, then I can say that city slickers were the bulk of Clinton's votes.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Transgender issues were rampant before Trump. Look at the bathroom issues? Trump represents a side of America that people like to pretend wasn't there. We were already torn apart. And worse, it's not Trump, it is us. With the state of affairs. The least we can do is take responsibility rather than try to blame someone else like Trump does the media.
Got your opinion, what do soldiers want?
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I agree with whomever it was that said that Trump is not the problem. He's just another symptom of a nation with multisystem failure: government, the media, the schools, corporate America, and most importantly, the intellectual and moral reserve of the American people, 35-40% of which still approve of Trump.

Both candidates in the 2016 election had larger disapproval ratings than approval ratings. It is a sad state of affairs when both party candidates are so widely loathed. That means that most people voted against a candidate rather than for one. Is there something wrong with our country as a whole that we don't like anyone?

You and I will never see the America of our youths again.

Eh, I don't know. That sounds too much of what elder folks have been saying since time started. We humans just tend to remember the good stuff.

In the end, you are correct: "Get over it already." There is no cavalry coming to the rescue. Where would it come from? The media? The schools? Trump? Congress? Putin? The American voter who is so easily deceived that he votes against his own interest as @tytlyf has so nicely described? Any one of these could be corrected if the others were not also dysfunctional.

Help is coming in 2018, 2020, 2022, etc with more elections. Trump is not a permanent fixture. The help comes from ourselves, what we do to make it better in our sphere. Pre-1900's nobody looked to the government to solve anything. But now, people expect the government to solve everything. What happened? How do we get our can-do spirit back?

I totally disagree with @tytlyf 's opinion that everyone that voted contrary to his own position must have been deceived. This opinion casts half of America as lacking cognitive ability and holds himself out as the sole possessor of such.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If you think slinging names around solves anything,

I think it's important to identify and address the cultural attitudes that would lead someone to look at a blatant buffoon like Trump and actually think "This is the man who should lead the most powerful nation on earth."

then I can say that city slickers were the bulk of Clinton's votes.

*shrugs* Go ahead.
 
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