Try to prove to me your religion.

[Taylor Seraphim]

We reject the doctrine of the trinity, so no points for that one.....sorry

Ok that's fair, after reading the book I didn't get the idea of it either.

At your earliest possible convenience please proceed to the nearest National Park and proceed to drink in nature for at least a couple of hours.
When you have consumed enough of that, in the evening I suggest you take yourself to the nearest observatory and take a long look out into space at the wonders you encounter there.
The following day or some time soon after, please proceed to the nearest university and ask to observe the microscopic world and the see the perfection that exists in that world within a world, unseen to the naked eye.

Then I would like you to contemplate the difference between the last two worlds you observed and tell me how likely all these things exist in magnificent order as a result of random chance? You want a fairy story...there it is.

I have seen all that and any other combination that could have occured would have looked magnificent as well.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I'll need a translation for this last comment...

Why?

 

[1137]

Do you know why?

Because psyche is defined as the human mind or soul.

I'm not sure what your point is here.

Actually depression is a combination of mental and emotional facets.

Yes, and we can overcome both facets thanks only to the psyche.

Evidence please?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic

 

[Deeje]

Why?

Because I did not understand what it is you said or meant. Can you expand or clarify please.

And I would like your thoughts on this as well....

Tell me something....if a country you know has the death penalty for smuggling drugs and you decide to try to do that and you are caught, will the person who carries out your execution be deemed a murderer? Will the one who authorized the executioner be deemed a murderer? Will the one who wrote the law be deemed a murderer? .

Based on that very basic knowledge, can you ever call God...the highest authority in existence....a murderer?

 

[Deeje]

I have seen all that and any other combination that could have occured would have looked magnificent as well.

All life is a miracle, but mostly taken for granted by those who have the gift, compared to the billions of potential humans who never made it to birth. Consider the number of abortions carried out every year....and even consider the billions of sperm who did not fertilize the one egg they were all aiming for...each one of them a potentially different person.

Of the millions of sperm released by your father, and the one egg released by your mother that month, only one of each of these produced the unique individual that is YOU. Whether you turned out perfect or not, you have life. No life is disposable in the eyes of our Creator....but we ourselves, by the choices we make, tell our Creator if we want to continue living. If we have no time for him, he has no time for us. If we search for him with the right motive of heart, we will find him.....but having found him, we must then obey his rules for continued existence. If we break the rules, we lose the gift, never having appreciated who gave it to us in the first place.

Our formation in the womb was not the result of some chance coming together of two human cells in the process of evolution, but the amazingly designed mechanism that produces the many kinds of life on this planet....all within their "kinds" as God declared.

Science knows that all life comes from pre-existing life.....but they don't acknowledge the designer who began life in the first place. I believe that "religion" is responsible for people being turned away from God. They misrepresent him and even blame him for what is wrong. How can people accept such a God?

I went searching for the real God...the one who is missing from Christendom.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Based on that very basic knowledge, can you ever call God...the highest authority in existence....a murderer?

Can you prove the guilt of those God killed? I mean, the Flood wiped out lots of people, animals, plants ... it's hard to swallow that every last living thing, even the bacteria, were sinning up a storm (so to speak). If an authority figure, say, a cop, shoots an innocent person, are they a murderer?

 

[Deeje]

Can you prove the guilt of those God killed? I mean, the Flood wiped out lots of people, animals, plants ... it's hard to swallow that every last living thing, even the bacteria, were sinning up a storm (so to speak). If an authority figure, say, a cop, shoots an innocent person, are they a murderer?

You can look at things through many lenses. If you want to find fault, you will and God will not prevent you.

But why did God even bring the flood in the first place?
Gen 6:5, 6:
"Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. 6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened." He lamented "I regret that I have made them.”

What was causing humans to become so wicked that God had to take such drastic action?
"The sons of the true God" had rebelled and disobediently materialized human bodies so as to take wives for themselves from among human women. Angelic creatures apparently had this ability as they were used as "messengers" to deliver God's instructions to his servants on earth.
These disobedient angels produced monstrous and violent offspring called the "nephilim" who were abusing people and taking the population to tolerate a standard of evil that was just leading them all to more and more wickedness. Children raised in such an environment would most likely emulate their parents.....God found no other righteous people except the family of Noah.

So God decided to put a stop to it, but not until he had informed Noah about how to save himself and his family. It took decades to construct the ark, which was made to the exact design and specifications that God had delivered to Noah. He then used the flood as an example to future generations of what was to come in a much bigger judgment. (Matt 24:36-39; 2 Pet 2:5, 6)

The wicked were destroyed at that time and the rebel angels were forced to return to the spirit realm where God dealt with them by placing them in a condition of restraint called Tartarus. (2 Pet 2:4) There is no mention of wicked angels being able to materialize again. Faithful angels continued to do so.
Animals and plants were designed to live and die, so because their species were preserved on the ark, their kinds were regenerated when things went back to normal.

We also have to remember that death to God is not the same as death to us. God has the ability to return people to life and has promised to do so in the future.
We have no power over death, but God empowers his son to raise all the dead from their tombs. (John 5:28, 29)

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I'm not sure what your point is here.



Yes, and we can overcome both facets thanks only to the psyche.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic

Only humans have it because no matter have advanced another animal's mindsare they will never have a psyche because by definition only a human has a psyche, so in short your argument is: Water is water.

No because other animals can have depression and come out of it.

No evidence was shown, turning to agriculture only gave us more time to apply the psyche, it existed long before hand.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Because I did not understand what it is you said or meant. Can you expand or clarify please.

And I would like your thoughts on this as well....



Based on that very basic knowledge, can you ever call God...the highest authority in existence....a murderer?

Yes, because if he didn't want people to die they would not. Therefore he wants them to die.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

All life is a miracle, but mostly taken for granted by those who have the gift, compared to the billions of potential humans who never made it to birth. Consider the number of abortions carried out every year....and even consider the billions of sperm who did not fertilize the one egg they were all aiming for...each one of them a potentially different person.

Of the millions of sperm released by your father, and the one egg released by your mother that month, only one of each of these produced the unique individual that is YOU. Whether you turned out perfect or not, you have life. No life is disposable in the eyes of our Creator....but we ourselves, by the choices we make, tell our Creator if we want to continue living. If we have no time for him, he has no time for us. If we search for him with the right motive of heart, will will find him.....but having found him, we must then obey his rules for continued existence. If we break the rules, we lose the gift, never having appreciated who gave it to us in the first place.

Our formation in the womb was not the result of some chance coming together of two human cells in the process of evolution, but the amazingly designed mechanism that produces the many kinds of life on this planet....all within their "kinds" as God declared.

Science knows that all life comes from pre-existing life.....but they don't acknowledge the designer who began life in the first place. I believe that "religion" is responsible for people being turned away from God. They misrepresent him and even blame him for what is wrong. How can people accept such a God?

I went searching for the real God...the one who is missing from Christendom.

Definition of miracle: a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

So yeah, no miracle was accomplished.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

We have no power over death,

Medicine, CPR, Defibrillators ?

 

[Deeje]

Yes, because if he didn't want people to die they would not. Therefore he wants them to die.

Show me where death was even mentioned in Eden except as a punishment for disobedience.....No disobedience = no death. Humans are not designed for death....they chose it.

So yeah, no miracle was accomplished.

None so blind....you will never see what you don't want to see. Human definitions of a miracle might satisfy you, but what is God's definition of a miracle?
I see his miracles every day. You say they don't exist.

Medicine, CPR, Defibrillators ?

Medicine can prevent death only whilst a human life is still viable. No one can bring someone back from death when it inevitably claims us. Where are your great, great grandparents?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Show me where death was even mentioned in Eden except as a punishment for disobedience.....No disobedience = no death. Humans are not designed for death....they chose it.



None so blind....you will never see what you don't want to see. Human definitions of a miracle might satisfy you, but what is God's definition of a miracle?
I see his miracles every day. You say they don't exist.



Medicine can prevent death only whilst a human life is still viable. No one can bring someone back from death when it inevitably claims us. Where are your great, great grandparents?

I am not quoting the bible I am applying logic, If god is omnipotent then NOTHING happens that he does not want to, therefore he allows people to die.

How would you know God's definition for a miracle? because if you cant tell me what it is here and now that means you just made it up.

Are you talking about the English word miracle or your made up version?

 

[1137]

Only humans have it because no matter have advanced another animal's mindsare they will never have a psyche because by definition only a human has a psyche, so in short your argument is: Water is water.

Well, humans like all species are defined by their traits. If you're not happy with this, then water can really equal anything you want to say it does.

No because other animals can have depression and come out of it.

Well yes, depression can cycle. That's different than going to cognitive behavioral therapy and learning to manage such feelings. Hell my dogs are afraid of the big scary wind specifically because they can't ponder it or understand that it's not dangerous.

No evidence was shown, turning to agriculture only gave us more time to apply the psyche, it existed long before hand.

Um, the neolithic revolution was long after the upper paleolithic. The birth of the psyche - as shown by the birth of travel, art, instruments, burials, bows and arrows, settlements, ceramics, leadership, religion, etc etc etc - lead to agriculture after.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Well, humans like all species are defined by their traits. If you're not happy with this, then water can really equal anything you want to say it does.

First off, I was saying how psyche is defined not how human is defined.

Second off, If a human is defined by having a psyche how could humans exist before the psyche?

Well yes, depression can cycle. That's different than going to cognitive behavioral therapy and learning to manage such feelings. Hell my dogs are afraid of the big scary wind specifically because they can't ponder it or understand that it's not dangerous.

Not what I was saying, I have seen a dog go from not eating or drinking for two days after another dog he lived with died to a full recovery over time by getting him a new partner.

Um, the neolithic revolution was long after the upper paleolithic. The birth of the psyche - as shown by the birth of travel, art, instruments, burials, bows and arrows, settlements, ceramics, leadership, religion, etc etc etc - lead to agriculture after.

If you take this perspective than you must acknowledge that their is evidence that some proto-human ancestors that had many of those things, therefore the intelligence necessary to make those things existed in humans since we became humans.

 

[Muffled]

And how are you?

I believe as Paul said "Christ lives in me."

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

As Paul said "Christ lives in me."

So you believe in a deity because you have the "holy spirit" that you only receive after believing in the deity?

 

[Muffled]

So you believe in a deity because you have the "holy spirit" that you only receive after believing in the deity?

I believe in the Deity because I have seen Him predict the future in my life. I have the Holy Spirit because God fulfilled His promise to give the Holy Spirit to those who receive Him.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I believe in the Deity because I have seen Him predict the future in my life. I have the Holy Spirit because God fulfilled His promise to give the Holy Spirit to those who receive Him.

Can you give me examples of such predictions?

 

[Muffled]

Can you give me examples of such predictions?

He told me the church would slip something in. That same day the words "In Jesus name" were slipped into the confession. It had never happened before and never happened again while I was there. I believe He told me that because He takes exception to it.