Unintelligent Design

[rusra02]

Alright. So why should I not consider Tay-Sachs disease a design flaw?

No more than cancer and innumerable diseases we are heir to. I believe what the Bible says; sickness is part of the death we have inherited from our first parent. Like throwing acid on a masterpiece, sin has damaged us physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. (Isaiah 33:24)

 

[rusra02]

What causes Tay-Sachs disease?

Tay-Sachs disease is caused by a mutation in the HEXA gene. A genetic mutation is a permanent alteration in the DNA sequence that makes up a gene. It causes one or more processes of the body to not work properly.

A mutated HEXA gene results in the body not producing an enzyme called Hexosaminidase-A (Hex-A). Without this enzyme, a fatty substance called GM2 ganglioside builds up in the cells of the brain and nerves, and stops them working normally, eventually destroying them.

Both parents have to be carriers of a HEXA mutation to be at risk of having a child with Tay-Sachs disease. If both parents are carriers, their children will have a 25% chance of developing the condition.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Tay-Sachs-disease/Pages/Introduction.aspx


Did Adam's sin also cause genetic mutations? Or did the Guy who designed DNA cause them?

Seems to me many diseases are caused by such mutations. Adam came under the just sentence of death, and without God's mercy, we would not be here at all. (Romans 5:12) I think that had Adam not sinned, his DNA and his descendant's DNA would have functioned flawlessly. Further, I believe God has made provision to free us from the sad state we are in, by providing the random sacrifice of his Son. (Matthew 20:28)

 

[First Baseman]

Seems to me many diseases are caused by such mutations. Adam came under the just sentence of death, and without God's mercy, we would not be here at all. (Romans 5:12) I think that had Adam not sinned, his DNA and his descendant's DNA would have functioned flawlessly. Further, I believe God has made provision to free us from the sad state we are in, by providing the random sacrifice of his Son. (Matthew 20:28)

Very well said, sir. I humbly salute you.

 

[Pudding]

No more than cancer and innumerable diseases we are heir to. I believe what the Bible says; sickness is part of the death we have inherited from our first parent. Like throwing acid on a masterpiece, sin has damaged us physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. (Isaiah 33:24)

Seems to me many diseases are caused by such mutations. Adam came under the just sentence of death, and without God's mercy, we would not be here at all. (Romans 5:12) I think that had Adam not sinned, his DNA and his descendant's DNA would have functioned flawlessly. Further, I believe God has made provision to free us from the sad state we are in, by providing the random sacrifice of his Son. (Matthew 20:28)

Do you have any evidence which prove "what you believe the Bible or your God's word says is true", is true?
Why you believe it's true?

 

[dust1n]

Seems to me many diseases are caused by such mutations. Adam came under the just sentence of death, and without God's mercy, we would not be here at all. (Romans 5:12) I think that had Adam not sinned, his DNA and his descendant's DNA would have functioned flawlessly. Further, I believe God has made provision to free us from the sad state we are in, by providing the random sacrifice of his Son. (Matthew 20:28)

So DNA doesn't function flawlessly... Ergo, unintelligent designer.

 

[dust1n]

Do you have any evidence which prove "what you believe the Bible or your God's word says is true", is true?
Why you believe it's true?

No, no. It's okay to speculate on what happened thousands ago and hold stridently any belief that may have happened back then with absolutely no evidence.

See, all that evidence and proof and arguments for positive claims can just be ignored instead of being consistently applied to unprovable assertions.

Ever watched a single cell morph into a human? Nope. Then we can't know it happened.

Ever see Adam, or see Adam sin, or look at his DNA at all? Nope. But we can believe whatever we want about it with no evidence and reference even from the Bible. Therefore, when Adam sinned, all the sudden DNA now morphed. Beforehand, it was perfect God DNA. I mean, never seen it before or anything, but I know it's true and commend others who think so.

 

[dust1n]

No more than cancer and innumerable diseases we are heir to. I believe what the Bible says; sickness is part of the death we have inherited from our first parent. Like throwing acid on a masterpiece, sin has damaged us physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. (Isaiah 33:24)

So one sin made God's DNA start to blow immediately and forever. Why didn't he put a sin guard on the DNA? Not a very intelligent designer.

 

[dust1n]

Evolving from not existing to forming everything we know and don't know, that is and will be.
You have a better answer? Blind chance perhaps? Let me sit down first, I don't want to fall over when I read it laughing.

So God can evolve from not existing at all to forming everything we know?

So something can come from nothing? If something can come from nothing, why would anyone need to make all we know?

How do you think this God evolved? Blind Chance? Luck?

Obviously any sort of evolving God is doing so under the direction of an even higher intelligent designer, forever.

 

[viole]

Seems to me many diseases are caused by such mutations. Adam came under the just sentence of death, and without God's mercy, we would not be here at all. (Romans 5:12) I think that had Adam not sinned, his DNA and his descendant's DNA would have functioned flawlessly. Further, I believe God has made provision to free us from the sad state we are in, by providing the random sacrifice of his Son. (Matthew 20:28)

Sacrifice? He is still around, isn't He?

Ciao

- viole

 

[rusra02]

Do you have any evidence which prove "what you believe the Bible or your God's word says is true", is true?
Why you believe it's true?

I think that is a fair question. If the Bible really is God's Word, inspired by him, we would rightly expect evidence for this. Some evidence I find convincing is the scientific accuracy of the Bible, even though completed some 2,000 years ago. Historical accuracy often confirmed.by archeological discoveries, the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and the power of the Bible to change people also convince me it is not a mere book of human wisdom. Some evidence for the authenticity of the Bible can be reviewed here.

 

[dust1n]

I think that is a fair question. If the Bible really is God's Word, inspired by him, we would rightly expect evidence for this. Some evidence I find convincing is the scientific accuracy of the Bible, even though completed some 2,000 years ago. Historical accuracy often confirmed.by archeological discoveries, the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and the power of the Bible to change people also convince me it is not a mere book of human wisdom. Some evidence for the authenticity of the Bible can be reviewed here.

Where in the Bible does it say Adam's DNA mutated because of his sin?

 

[Robert.Evans]

You need to come up with a more intelligent question.

I don't think you have an answer to a general question ; but just for you, one more time, reworded. If in the whole of creation, multiverse/universe, there is no intelligence used to create it/evolve it, then is it ultimately luck?

 

[Robert.Evans]

When someone claims that intelligence must be involved in creation, and can't be the possibility of luck, it's their burden to prove those two claim's validity.

Intelligence must be involved in creation? It can't be the result of luck? Or any other assumptions?
For me, all is possible, but not yet to substantiated or proven correct, evidence pending.

Maybe some religion have their evidence for their claims, well, it's not convincing for me or i've not yet seen any convincing evidence present. Their evidence is convincing for them, but not for me.

The question had nothing to do with claiming anything. I am asking if intelligence is not used in creation, then it must be luck. Yes or no.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Where in the Bible does it say Adam's DNA mutated because of his sin?

Does it have to?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Do you have any evidence which prove "what you believe the Bible or your God's word says is true", is true?
Why you believe it's true?

Do you have any evidence for what you believe in? Or don't you believe in anything? Does the word "fence" come to mind?

 

[Robert.Evans]

So DNA doesn't function flawlessly... Ergo, unintelligent designer.

Was Einstein intelligent? Did he make mistakes? Perhaps you don't understand how this intelligence works. Just a thought.

 

[Robert.Evans]

No, no. It's okay to speculate on what happened thousands ago and hold stridently any belief that may have happened back then with absolutely no evidence.

See, all that evidence and proof and arguments for positive claims can just be ignored instead of being consistently applied to unprovable assertions.

Ever watched a single cell morph into a human? Nope. Then we can't know it happened.

Ever see Adam, or see Adam sin, or look at his DNA at all? Nope. But we can believe whatever we want about it with no evidence and reference even from the Bible. Therefore, when Adam sinned, all the sudden DNA now morphed. Beforehand, it was perfect God DNA. I mean, never seen it before or anything, but I know it's true and commend others who think so.

Ever seen luck create a universe?Nope.

 

[dust1n]

Does it have to?

So, I'm expected to believe that Adam's first sin caused his own genetics to mutate, thus creating every known genetic disease in all of human history, with no actual physical evidence, despite the fact it makes no sense, AND it's not even the Bible. So am I suppose to believe any made up thing anyone comes up with now?

Does it have to? If it rather be regarded as a serious argument, it should. I don't expect it will.

 

[dust1n]

Was Einstein intelligent? Did he make mistakes? Perhaps you don't understand how this intelligence works. Just a thought.

If Einstein made a population of animals that needlessly suffers many diseases, for no particular reason, I'd think Einstein would be really unintelligent.

But knowing now that God makes mistakes, there would be no reason to view such a being as admirable, let alone stuff like all-knowing, which religious hold to be more or less canon.

 

[dust1n]

Ever seen luck create a universe?Nope.

Ever see an intelligent designer do it? Nope.