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Where does it say they sold the land and were paid for it?
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Where does it say they sold the land and were paid for it?
Those villages were included in the 1949 armistice agreements. They were surrendered to israel by the Palestinians.
No real argument here.
This is obvious..
Are you making some point about the
Israel v Palestinian conflict that I'm missing?
Ah, must have gotten your two earlier posts confused.You asked about the 1949 armistice agreement. The purchase of land occurred prior to the war. There's pictures and transfers of deeds of property.
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blind faith in Israeli intelligence during wartime is foolish
And that's why Antony Blinken, US says the evidence against UNRWA is "highly, highly credible". The data that is being used to implicate the UNRWA staff is good strong evidence.
I have significantly more distrust in the US intelligence community than I do the Israeli one. I don't doubt their capabilities, I recognize that their stated goals are almost always at odds with the actual practice of the three letter agencies.There's a partnership between US and israel which too few appreciate.
Pegasus is incredibly capable exploit no doubt.
- Blinken also noted: "We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves."
- Meanwhile, out of an UNWRA staff of some 30,000 people, it would be "highly, highly" remarkable if none were associated with Hamas.
If you say so ...The evidence is credible because the source is credible.
Interesting wording.Irrelevant. The evidence shows UNRWA participation in the most recent attacks and the kidnapping.
Sadly, there is no lack of parties dedicated to perpetuating war.The point is: UNRWA is not needed. They cause problems. They perpetuate war.
I have significantly more distrust in the US intelligence community than I do the Israeli one. I don't doubt their capabilities, I recognize that their stated goals are almost always at odds with the actual practice of the three letter agencies.
Pegasus is incredibly capable exploit no doubt.
It was not created by Israeli state intelligence but by the company NSO group which has been internationally renowned as one of the most dangerous corporations in the 'insecurity industry'. They are a case study in irresponsible use and sale of intelligence tools to abusive parties.
Their spyware has been tied to the killing of Jamal khashoggi, and is used throughout the world by corrupt governments that lack the ability to develop their own exploits. Canadian sigint expert Ron Deibert was given the order of Canada for running the lab which discovered and exposed the existence and use of Pegasus in the field.
The NSO group has also spent considerable time investigating the Citizen Lab for exposing what operations their software was involved in.
If you say so ...
Interesting wording.
Sadly, there is no lack of parties dedicated to perpetuating war.
There is much of that to be sure. Just don't hide behind it. Dismissing every criticism of Israel as antisemitic hatred does Israel no favors.And no lack of political "enthusiasts" taking this opportunity to kick Israel as a proxy for everything they hate about their own personal "demon" named "conservatism".
You are yet again omitting the reason for the Nakbah. Palestinian propaganda. False stories about the israelis compelled the Palestinians to flee.
I pointed this out to you several times. Didn't I? Am I remembering wrong? Are you intentionally omitting this important detail?
The Palestinian leaders LIED. A Palestinian journalist ( now jordanian diplomat ) confessed to the false propaganda. He says it's the biggest mistake they made during the war, LYING about the israelis.
Further, you have omitted the SURRENDER of Palestinian territory in 1949 because they started a war and LOST. They, the Palestinians STARTED a war and LOST. I'm repeating because I don't understand why you are omitting these details?
The vast majority of the expulsions were a CONSEQUENCE OF STARTING A WAR AND LOSING. If they did not start the war, there never would have been a Nakbah.
Those villages were included in the 1949 armistice agreements. They were surrendered to israel by the Palestinians.
Apples/Oranges. Did the Ukrainians sell their land, receive the payment then attack the new owner?
What a ridiculous analogy. Where did you get this idea from?
The Palestinians sold the land, received the money, then attack. They start wars, lose, cry about it to get sympathy, then start more wars, lose, cry about it for sympathy, play the victim card, start more wars, lose, play the victim, over and over and over again.
How can the Ukrainians compromise with Putin?
No apologies necessary.I apologize. I'm multi-tasking.
I agree. Pegasus is a very effective tool at gathering everything on a cellular device on a system level.Certainly privacy advocates are against it, but, that doesn't render the information it produces "false".
Likewise, the use of AI and bots can create just about any story line.No apologies necessary.
I agree. Pegasus is a very effective tool at gathering everything on a cellular device on a system level.
However, the power of the exploit doesn't actually evidence what the phones user was doing, whether or if it is being accurately interpreted.
My criticisms of NSO group may be slightly tangential, but I wanted to make it clear that more than anything the Pegasus tool has been used to attack civil society - and this is an indicator how limits on the use and sale of spyware in Israel enable abuse. Bringing them into the conversation at all just makes the alarm bells ring.
I don't doubt the ability for sophisticated Intelligence agencies to collect just about anything on a targeted device, but this does not mean I should trust them about what they find on other's devices. Given that this decision affects the lives of millions of people, I expect my country to consider the evidence rather than tailing the UK or US who have pretty poor histories of jumping into political and military decisions without knowing what they are getting into.
Many have been moved out. Some 6 million. Most of who went to the EU. If the rest of the world can influence Putin to stop, more power to them but it remains a matter of might making right. Ukraine has only managed to hold onto its land with the military support of other countries.
You're asking me what should happen vs what will happen. Maybe I think we (countries) should stay out of each others business and all get along but the world cares little about what I think should happen.
If you can convince other countries to allow you to keep your land or support your protection of it, that is part of consolidating of or compromising with might. If you can do that then you get to keep your land.
This is what NATO is about. Consolidating/compromising might so you can protect your lands. You can only own it as long as you can protect is. However you go about it. There is nothing "sacred" about any country's lands except so far as they can protect it.
Depending on who you ask, the answers may vary:
I have seen some of these arguments or similar ones both here on RF and elsewhere.
- "Why don't they give up some parts of the land to end the war?"
- "They should stay out of NATO as a compromise."
- "They should become a buffer state."
I don't believe any of the above arguments are sound; I agree with supporting Ukraine financially and militarily so that it can repel Putin's invasion. My questions were meant to highlight the flaws in the notion that people should give up their land or leave it if they can't defend it on their own. What I believe is that if they can't, other countries should help them to do so, whether by imposing sanctions on the aggressor or providing financial and military aid.
In Israel's case, I believe other countries—especially those who have extensive economic ties with it or provide it with significant support, like the US—should put far more pressure on it to adopt a two-state solution and demonstrate more regard for the safety and lives of Palestinian civilians. Various sanctions and cutting off military and economic aid or ties would be a helpful step.
Not in Israel. I don't believe it is illegal in most of the world, because they sell to the 'legitimate' powers in the Arab world, South America, and even Eastern Europe.it's illegal to even use pegasus.