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[Father Heathen]

Why?
Is it because there are those on RF who are not content at merely taking your word that Mohammed raped her?
What evidence have you that it was not consensual?

I mean you keep going on and on presenting information about rape victims, but you have not once presented anything other than your personal opinion that it was a rape, yet you go on and on as if you have presented a video that clearly indicates that it was a full blown rape.

For all you know, and can prove, Mohamed merely took her into another room and they played Euchre all night and everyone merely ASSUMED that they did the mattress mamba.

Not only were you not there, but you were not around during that time to understand the attitudes they had towards sex, marriage, etc.

Your whole argument/position is based solely on your own personal feelings and emotional responses based upon modern day biases, prejudices, conditioning, and experiences.

Yet you are disappointed that not everyone merely took up your emotionally charged flag and ran with it?

Like I've said earlier, I haven't been talking about Muhammad, but rather Seyorni's notion that rape trauma is a social construct. That's what I've been trying to address.

But on the subject of Muhammad, the "consent" of a child is meaningless considering they're incapable of making informed, rational, mature decisions, especially concerning things that they're not equipped to deal with physiologically or psychologically. Not to mention the ease of manipulation and coercion of a naive child.

 

[krsnaraja]

Like I've said earlier, I haven't been talking about Muhammad, but rather Seyorni's notion that rape trauma is a social construct. That's what I've been trying to address.

But on the subject of Muhammad, the "consent" of a child is meaningless considering they're incapable of making informed, rational, mature decisions, especially concerning things that they're not equipped to deal with physiologically or psychologically.

Muhammad should go to jail. That`s the final decision in this case. Whether it was with consent. No man is above the law here on earth even if he is God.

 

[Riverwolf]

Actually, it's a device I often employ to mirror someone's argument which is meant to highlight the weakness of their statement. But that's neither here nor there.

Just FYI, it doesn't work.

I'm not sure if you fully read my previous posts, but this is where you're wrong. You're oversimplifying sexuality to merely sexual biological development. First, regardless of how far through puberty a nine year old may be, there is necessarily a limit to that sexual development at that age. They will not appear as a fully developed women. Additionally, and more importantly, a nine year old can only have a certain level of emotional, intellectual, and other physical development. The most "developed" nine year old will still obviously be a child to any adult. I don't know how many nine year olds you've been around lately, but there is no mistaking that even the most mature, developed nine year old is still clearly a child.

I've been around 9 year olds, and while most of them are certainly not sexually mature at all, they frequently demonstrate to be very intelligent (or capable of being intelligent), and are more mature than most fully teenage boys I've seen. My own experience has corroborated the idea that girls develop faster than boys. (Of course, exposure to pop culture and peer pressure sadly seems to make most of that maturity go away. )

However, until very recently, sexuality WAS biological. Once a girl was biologically ready for sex, she was considered eligible for marriage. This was the case in most cultures until only a few centuries ago. Don't forget that we're talking about very patriarchal societies, so we have to take these situations into that context. We also have to keep in mind that most people back then didn't live past 40, so when a girl was 20 years old, she's already halfway through her life. She's probably going to want to have children way before that.

 

[Riverwolf]

If Muhammad did it in the US or here in our country, even if he was prophet, he would have been arrested & sent to prison.

Irrelevant. He wasn't in 2011 United States, and I doubt he was wherever you are.

 

[Riverwolf]

Like I've said earlier, I haven't been talking about Muhammad, but rather Seyorni's notion that rape trauma is a social construct. That's what I've been trying to address.

But on the subject of Muhammad, the "consent" of a child is meaningless considering they're incapable of making informed, rational, mature decisions, especially concerning things that they're not equipped to deal with physiologically or psychologically. Not to meaning the ease of manipulation and coercion of a naive child.

But all of that is meaningless since they're not equipped with those skills now, since they're not given until much later in life. Back then, they weren't even needed, since life was much simpler.

Nowadays, our lives don't begin until we no longer live with our parents. Back then, your life began in late childhood.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Just FYI, it doesn't work.

Yes, I employ a lot of devices, usually to no avail - but, I'm not in the habit of dumbing down my communication style because people don't understand what I'm doing.

I've been around 9 year olds, and while most of them are certainly not sexually mature at all, they frequently demonstrate to be very intelligent (or capable of being intelligent), and are more mature than most fully teenage boys I've seen. My own experience has corroborated the idea that girls develop faster than boys. (Of course, exposure to pop culture and peer pressure sadly seems to make most of that maturity go away. )

However, until very recently, sexuality WAS biological. Once a girl was biologically ready for sex, she was considered eligible for marriage. This was the case in most cultures until only a few centuries ago. Don't forget that we're talking about very patriarchal societies, so we have to take these situations into that context. We also have to keep in mind that most people back then didn't live past 40, so when a girl was 20 years old, she's already halfway through her life. She's probably going to want to have children way before that.

None of this even attempted to address my argument that nine year olds are obviously children, and thus, for psychologically normal adults, hold no sexual attraction.

 

[Father Heathen]

if you're a grown man who is sexually attracted to a nine year old, there's something wrong with you.

Are you a man?

Like 90% of men up until very recently?

So, what about you two? Something you want to tell us? :sarcastic

 

[krsnaraja]

Don't forget that we're talking about very patriarchal societies, so we have to take these situations into that context. We also have to keep in mind that most people back then didn't live past 40, so when a girl was 20 years old, she's already halfway through her life. She's probably going to want to have children way before that.

Who said that? Noah lived up to 900 years old. Elizabeth got pregnant at 60 years. The people of long ago had longer life spans than ours today. My great grandfather Marcos died at 103. His wife Ida my great grandmother died at 106.

 

[England my lionheart]

Our advise to our daughter is always this, " Finish your studies first even if the right guy comes along."

If a 54 year old Guy wanted to Marry and consumate a marriage with my 9 year old Daughter i would tear him a new **** and stick his head through it,what criteria do you have for the "right Guy" for a 9 year old

 

[Photonic]

This reminder please. Below 18 if you have sex with them is what we call Statutory Rape.

Reminder; the US is only one of a few countries with this law.

 

[Photonic]

If a 54 year old Guy wanted to Marry and consumate a marriage with my 9 year old Daughter i would tear him a new **** and stick his head through it,what criteria do you have for the "right Guy" for a 9 year old

That's a societal value. You only see it as wrong because of where you live and how you grew up.

I would respond in a far worse fashion than you, but I also recognize that it's only my social bias that causes my disgust with the thought and activity.

 

[krsnaraja]

If a 54 year old Guy wanted to Marry and consumate a marriage with my 9 year old Daughter i would tear him a new **** and stick his head through it,what criteria do you have for the "right Guy" for a 9 year old

Right guy means she is love with him & the guy loves her. I know such cases. Because the father was so strict. One day, her daughter run off with the guy at 13 years old! But a 54 year old. Oh C`mon. This guy`s not the right one for her. He is a pedophile! But if the guy`s a 15 or 18 year old then that`s a different situation. I would try to let my daughter understand that she should stop seeing this guy so she could concentrate in her studies. I wont scold her either.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That's a societal value. You only see it as wrong because of where you live and how you grew up.

You have a bright future writing material for NAMBLA.

 

[England my lionheart]

That's a societal value. You only see it as wrong because of where you live and how you grew up.

I would respond in a far worse fashion than you, but I also recognize that it's only my social bias that causes my disgust with the thought and activity.

Sorry,i just don't get that,a Child is a Child,Aisha was still playing with Toys when Muhammed had her,i can't see myself joining in this kind of paedophillia no matter what society i was born into.

 

[Photonic]

You have a bright future writing material for NAMBLA.

Don't give me that crap I'm even more disgusted with the topic than you, but I don't hold personal bias on something that is simply fact.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes, I employ a lot of devices, usually to no avail - but, I'm not in the habit of dumbing down my communication style because people don't understand what I'm doing.

Except that particular one is typically only employed by schoolyard bullies when teasing their victims, so, if anything, it's one that treats its target like a grade-school child, making it counter-productive to your goal of not dumbing down your communication.

None of this even attempted to address my argument that nine year olds are obviously children, and thus, for psychologically normal adults, hold no sexual attraction.

So, "psychological normality" didn't really exist (except maybe as a minority) until a few centuries ago?

I am addressing the point: they're only children mentally, which was irrelevant back in the day. It's not irrelevant now, in our unisex world where people live to 100, but back then, it was. Back then, if a girl was physically sexually mature, that's all that was needed.

A large part of psychology is cultural. Therefore, psychological normality is determined by culture.

 

[Riverwolf]

So, what about you two? Something you want to tell us? :sarcastic

I don't know? What do you think are the possible things we may want to tell you?

 

[Riverwolf]

Who said that? Noah lived up to 900 years old. Elizabeth got pregnant at 60 years. The people of long ago had longer life spans than ours today. My great grandfather Marcos died at 103. His wife Ida my great grandmother died at 106.

Your first examples are myth, and I cannot accept them as historical.

Your other examples are modern, and thus do not count as examples of people living 1400 years ago.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sorry,i just don't get that,a Child is a Child,Aisha was still playing with Toys when Muhammed had her

Oh? How do you know that?

 

[krsnaraja]

Don't give me that crap I'm even more disgusted with the topic than you, but I don't hold personal bias on something that is simply fact.

Why don`t you Kilgore & Photonic start another thread say on, Tiger Woods or former US President Bill Clinton & Lewinsky. This will take the heat off Muhammad. Both of you could justify why Tiger is a good pick for the 2011 Ryder`s Cup.