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Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Except that particular one is typically only employed by schoolyard bullies when teasing their victims, so, if anything, it's one that treats its target like a grade-school child, making it counter-productive to your goal of not dumbing down your communication.

Right, you don't understand what I was doing. That's what I said.

So, "psychological normality" didn't really exist (except maybe as a minority) until a few centuries ago? :confused:

I am addressing the point: they're only children mentally, which was irrelevant back in the day. It's not irrelevant now, in our unisex world where people live to 100, but back then, it was. Back then, if a girl was physically sexually mature, that's all that was needed.

A large part of psychology is cultural. Therefore, psychological normality is determined by culture.

If you want to think that there's some kind of fantasy world where it's normal and healthy for adult men to be sexually attracted to children, feel free. As I stated much earlier in the thread, I find defending such behaviors says more about the people attempting such rationalizations, than it does about any hypothetical scenario or people being discussed.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
If you want to think that there's some kind of fantasy world where it's normal and healthy for adult men to be sexually attracted to children, feel free. As I stated much earlier in the thread, I find defending such behaviors says more about the people attempting such rationalizations, than it does about any hypothetical scenario or people being discussed.

So, you're not even going to address my points? You're just going to repeat your socially conditioned stance in a manner that basically amounts to "you're wrong"?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
So, you're not even going to address my points? You're just going to repeat your socially conditioned stance?

I addressed your points with the appropriate amount of attention they deserve. Sorry, your not going to convince me pedophilia is okay. Try someone else.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I don't get this "socially conditioned" BS,it seems pretty simple to me,either sex with a Child is ok or its not,because it was and is still a quaint cultural practice and practice a couple of thousand years ago doesn't make it any less sick and disgusting.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
I don't get this "socially conditioned" BS,it seems pretty simple to me,either sex with a Child is ok or its not,because it was and is still a quaint cultural practice and practice a couple of thousand years ago doesn't make it any less sick and disgusting.

Social conditioning obviously hasn't worked too well considering the amount of child sexual molestation in the world. Sex with children is wrong now, and people know it - and it was wrong back then, and people knew it - and it's happened a lot from then up to now.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
...yeah, you have no idea what I'm arguing.

Maybe you're just not doing a very good job at arguing.

Let's make it simple: Do you think any circumstance exists where it's acceptable and healthy for an adult male to have sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Not sure if you missed this post: "Let's make it simple: Do you think any circumstance exists where it's acceptable and healthy for an adult male to have sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl?"
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Maybe you're just not doing a very good job at arguing.

Very likely. :yes:

Let's make it simple: Do you think any circumstance exists where it's acceptable and healthy for an adult male to have sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl?

The answer is actually a bit more complicated than you may want, but bear with me.

The circumstance in this case is this: the majority of men back then would have been sexually attracted to a physically sexually mature girl, regardless of age. Therefore, does this make the majority of men back then mentally unhealthy?

If the answer is yes, then we might also speculate that the majority of people living nowadays are mentally unhealthy for doing things we don't realize are indicative of poor mental health, but which will be realized in a few centuries.

Nowadays, an adult male sexually desiring a 9-year-old is mentally unhealthy, because his own sexuality didn't mature past that age. (I fully admit that I might be mistaken on this, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

As for acceptable, it was accepted by the majority back then, and they're the ones who got to determine acceptability back then. We don't, because they're dead and gone; all we can do is look at the past and say whether or not something they did would be acceptable now, and now, there is NO instance when sex with a 9 year old, even if she reached puberty early, is okay. If a culture nowadays is still doing that, then that culture REALLY needs to get with the times, to put it mildly, and I don't often speak out against other cultures.

Basically, here's my argument: acceptable and not acceptable doesn't apply to bygone ages except when used as examples of acceptability and non-acceptability today. When we determine whether or not something is acceptable, it's so we can enforce certain rules today; since we can't enforce our modern rules in ye olden days, we don't really get to determine whether or not something is acceptable for them.

And as for mental health,it is my understanding that mental health is most often directly linked to whether or not an individual can function in any given society. (Again, I may be wrong about this, so correct me if I am.) Therefore, we can logically conclude that a mental state which would cause societal problems now, but not back in times long gone, then it was not mentally unhealthy back then.

Am I making sense?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Actually, no, I haven't. You'll have to show me.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Not sure if you missed this post: "Let's make it simple: Do you think any circumstance exists where it's acceptable and healthy for an adult male to have sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl?"

I did miss it at the time. ^_^ I would appreciate my question answered, however.
 
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