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What did Jesus Look Like?

JoStories

Well-Known Member
To many times.

He has been shut down at every turn and is now getting to that desperate point since no one lets him proselytize his ilk.



No I have not.



That is the key.

Keep reading.

There is almost nothing certain in this field with the DH. We now it happened to the point of factual. But the details get murky at best and there is a wealth of good credible opinions that can help you decide how you want to process the information.

DH = documentary hypothesis

Basically we have multiple collections of northern and southern polytheistic traditions that went through multiple redactions within the monotheistic reforms of the multiple cultures that made up these peoples.

The best reading is over 100 years old, its a classic, but the work so well done, it still serves as a foundation for anyone researching this particular topic.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/log/index.htm


I keep it in my favorites
I bookmarked that one for later reading and must freely admit that I have not ever read it nor even heard of it before. Regarding the multiple collections, this I know of course. But I do thank you for the reference.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
Yet he got a patent from studying it?
If you read it then you will find he wrote a book about it. His initial aim was to debunk what Erich von Daniken had to say about it.
In what way can an investigation by a NASA engineer be regarded as "clearly Apologetic rhetoric"?
I went to your link and the man is clearly writing in a form that presents his thoughts on Christian topics. Without any references, no formatting, etc, and peer reviews, it is merely his views on Christianity. Anyone can write a book. That does not make them a theology scholar. ALL theology scholars have studied the area for decades. They spend their lives doing same and approach the areas trying to set aside bias and see this from all sides. They welcome criticism and try to get opposing views. What exactly does getting a patent have to do with credibility anyway? And if he were trying to debunk someone, again he would look for opposing views and try to counter them. I saw none of that.
 

Theunis

Active Member
Theunis said: I am still waiting for his link ! Until such time he provides a link I will do as he does - viz say it is not credible For the onus rests upon him to prove his claim.

You need someone to do all the work for you? As I said to Outhouse, it took me a bit to find that reference but I did find it and since I did, I am quite sure you can do the same. It never fails to amaze me when someone needs to have all the work done for them. If a student of mine were to exhibit this, I would fail them.
No! You are still missing the point.
I am more than capable to do the same and much more.

He needs to comply with his own requirements. Such requirements are not only for others; He needs to set an example.
 
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Theunis

Active Member
I went to your link and the man is clearly writing in a form that presents his thoughts on Christian topics. Without any references, no formatting, etc, and peer reviews, it is merely his views on Christianity. Anyone can write a book. That does not make them a theology scholar. ALL theology scholars have studied the area for decades. They spend their lives doing same and approach the areas trying to set aside bias and see this from all sides. They welcome criticism and try to get opposing views. What exactly does getting a patent have to do with credibility anyway? And if he were trying to debunk someone, again he would look for opposing views and try to counter them. I saw none of that.
Sheesh he said he was an engineer and that religious matters he was leaving to others.

Since when if someone else places things from a book in a blog must it be in the form of a thesis.
Once again he is NOT the author of the blog and he plainly stated that he viewed it from a non-religious view point - That is he viewed it from an Engineering point of view. This can be plainly seen from the following quote from the article -

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With these conclusions, I had to declare defeat; I wrote to Eric von Daniken, explaining that my attempt to refute his theory had resulted in a structural and analytical conformation of a major part of his hypothesis. Determining the form, dimensions and functional capabilities of what Ezekiel saw makes understandable a number of passages in his text that are otherwise meaningless; it also aids considerably in separating the prophetic or visionary parts of Ezekiel’s book from those concerning encounters with spaceships. (I confined my study to the latter.)


Being an engineer, I am not qualified to investigate the non-engineering portions. (Emphasis mine)


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JoStories

Well-Known Member
Sheesh he said he was an engineer and that religious matters he was leaving to others.

Since when if someone else places things from a book in a blog must it be in the form of a thesis.
Once again he is NOT the author of the blog and he plainly stated that he viewed it from a non-religious view point - That is he viewed it from an Engineering point of view. This can be plainly seen from the following quote from the article -

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With these conclusions, I had to declare defeat; I wrote to Eric von Daniken, explaining that my attempt to refute his theory had resulted in a structural and analytical conformation of a major part of his hypothesis. Determining the form, dimensions and functional capabilities of what Ezekiel saw makes understandable a number of passages in his text that are otherwise meaningless; it also aids considerably in separating the prophetic or visionary parts of Ezekiel’s book from those concerning encounters with spaceships. (I confined my study to the latter.)


Being an engineer, I am not qualified to investigate the non-engineering portions. (Emphasis mine)


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Very well. Please explain how the thoughts of this engineer who has stated he has no input into the theology aspects germane to this discussion? He is speaking of events in the Bible. If his thoughts were not religious in nature, I fail to see what he is adding to this at all. Are you really trying to say this was aliens?
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
No! You are still missing the point.
I am more than capable to do the same and much more.

He needs to comply with his own requirements. Such requirements are not only for others; He needs to set an example.
Take this up with him then. I have no trouble with Outhouse and highly respect him.
 

Theunis

Active Member
Take this up with him then. I have no trouble with Outhouse and highly respect him.
So I did without success but in you jumped defending him left right and centre without really understanding what it is all about.

With so many facetious remarks and speak to the hand emoticons any person indulging in such activities will have to show a vast improvement before I will even consider to regard that person as worthy of respect.
 
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Theunis

Active Member
Very well. Please explain how the thoughts of this engineer who has stated he has no input into the theology aspects germane to this discussion? He is speaking of events in the Bible. If his thoughts were not religious in nature, I fail to see what he is adding to this at all. Are you really trying to say this was aliens?
His thoughts are quite plain to see. He did not agree with Erich von Daniken's exposition of the matter and from an engineerig and not religious point of view he attempted to discredit von Daniken's view regarding "alien "visits"

From the article-
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my own involvement in the subject of extraterrestrial visitors began with a vehemently negative attitude. Having worked as an aeronautical engineer since 1934-first in the design and analysis of aircraft, then for the past fifteen years in the design and development of both launching vehicles and spacecraft-I was firmly entrenched in the camp of those who declare visits from outer space to be an impossibility. (Emphasis mine)


It was in this frame of mind that I began to read Erich von Daniken’s "Chariots of the Gods? His claim that the prophet Ezekiel had encounters with spaceships prompted me to read the biblical book of Ezekiel carefully with the intention of proving von Daniken wrong. (Emphasis mine)
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I did not attempt to say or imply anything about aliens I merely indicated what the findings of this engineer were.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Being an engineer, I am not qualified to investigate the non-engineering portions

That's right.

Not having the biblical knowledge, not being a scholar, means the engineer have no business working on biblical text when one is ignorant to them.
 

Theunis

Active Member
@ Outhouse - message 450 refers.

He was not commenting on biblical matters. He was commenting on HOW Ezekiel tried to explain what he saw.

Try reading post no 445 in full.

Well now are you a scholar ? Your profile indicates you are in sales !
 
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Theunis

Active Member
It is in the bible I did not have to argue anything



It sometimes impossible to overcome the biblically uneducated who don't have a clue what they are debating.
Yep but it is worse trying to have discourse with someone who is not open minded.

You now you say ït is in the bible but how do you now suddenly rely on a myth to support your argument ?
 

Theunis

Active Member
If you don't think flying chariots are not myth, no one can help you.
See what I mean when I say something and you warp it to something else to suit your own thoughts !
They did not have a word for an aircraft so naturally they would use an existing word to try to get their thoughts across.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
See what I mean when I say something and you warp it to something else to suit your own thoughts !
They did not have a word for an aircraft so naturally they would use an existing word to try to get their thoughts across.

This just shows your complete lack of biblical education.

If you don't think flying chariots are not myth, no one can help you.
 

Theunis

Active Member
This just shows your complete lack of biblical education.

If you don't think flying chariots are not myth, no one can help you.
Oh sure that is merely your opinion and far removed from the truth.
Tell me what degree(s) do you as someone in sales hold in biblical education ?
 
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