What did Jesus Look Like?

[cambridge79]

Your link is not relevant to the question I asked.
This man clearly stated his reasons which was "to debunk Erich von Daniken". It is quite obvious that he was scornful etc of what von Daniken said.

Of course it can be construed as an attempt to label this engineer as a crackpot or to ridicule him and his findings.
This is the same kind of ridicule from a stance of ignorance as applied to the German scientists who looked at ancient earth civilization writings from a non-religious or non-mythical point of view. In other words their thought patterns were not stuck in a groove of skepticism, rejection and academia. A true scientist investigates all things and poses questions that the faint of heart hide from and criticize from behind their gossamer shields.

AS AN ASIDE: Were Sister Theresa, F W DeKlerk and Desmond Tutu scientists? Only the gullible believe what they say. In some parts of the world they stink to high heaven Mahatma Ghandi was nominated several times for the Nobel Peace Price yet when he lived in South Africa he exhibited his extreme racism by regarding the black people as less than human.

N.B. on edit - typo corrected

that was to show that simply because he was an engineer doesn't mean he can't be a looney.

also, you can patent anything you want even things that don't work as long as you pay an it's not already patented. Can we have a look on what he has actually patented or we should just stick to the claim that he has patented "something", maybe for the only purpose to be able to say that "he has patented something"

 

[Theunis]

that was to show that simply because he was an engineer doesn't mean he can't be a looney.

also, you can patent anything you want even things that don't work as long as you pay an it's not already patented. Can we have a look on what he has actually patented or we should just stick to the claim that he has patented "something", maybe for the only purpose to be able to say that "he has patented something"

There you confirm that, from my interpretation of what you say, you think that he may be a looney . Anyone can for that matter, especially when they are fanatics or have a super duper ego or an over the wall self-esteem, be a looney.

He does give the patent number so it is there for anyone, who wants to know, to look at what the patent consists of. Only after ascertaining this can anyone comment on the information as recorded for a specific patent number as recorded in the patent office.

 

[JoStories]

That's right.

Not having the biblical knowledge, not being a scholar, means the engineer have no business working on biblical text when one is ignorant to them.

that is what I have been trying to say and it like banging my head against a wall. But given that because I defended you, which you deserved, I am now not worthy of any respect. I doubt I will lose any sleep over that. And I will defend those whom I think are correct, and more importantly, my friends. Kiss kiss darling.

 

[JoStories]

See what I mean when I say something and you warp it to something else to suit your own thoughts !
They did not have a word for an aircraft so naturally they would use an existing word to try to get their thoughts across.

You are honestly trying to say that it was an alien spaceship that was seen and was recorded as a flying chariot and you expect others to take you seriously? This notion borders on science fiction, with the operative word being fiction. Consider this. If it truly was an alien craft, why have none been seen since that time? One would presume that it would not be a one time visit. Can you explain that?

 

[Aupmanyav]

that is what I have been trying to say and it like banging my head against a wall.

Probably, that is where you went wrong. Did you not know that it was useless?

 

[Theunis]

You are honestly trying to say that it was an alien spaceship that was seen and was recorded as a flying chariot and you expect others to take you seriously? This notion borders on science fiction, with the operative word being fiction. Consider this. If it truly was an alien craft, why have none been seen since that time? One would presume that it would not be a one time visit. Can you explain that?

Just try reading the bible with an open mind regarding such "chariots" They are found under different texts where the observers try to explain what they saw using words common to their time.

What about the UFO's seen in our modern times. That is those for which no logical explanations could be found.

 

[Theunis]

that is what I have been trying to say and it like banging my head against a wall. But given that because I defended you, which you deserved, I am now not worthy of any respect. I doubt I will lose any sleep over that. And I will defend those whom I think are correct, and more importantly, my friends. Kiss kiss darling.

Dear lady where did I ever say you were not worthy of respect ?

 

[Theunis]

Probably, that is where you went wrong. Did you not know that it was useless?

My dear Aupmanyay I remember you well from conversations on the about.com, Hinduism Forum where you twisted everything that Daniel had to say about the bible not being his bible and other things and your insistence that you were an Advainta Atheist. His years of studying yoga, meditation, hypnosis etc was time and again poo poohed by you while you yourself had no knowledge of such things - Tell me what did Arjuna say to Krsn regarding the mind?

No man can ever be his own Guru for he is to fallible and as far as I recollect you were barely on the first rung of the ladder to be a student.
Please your misunderstandings, miscomprehensions and strawman tactics there were more in line with a tatanium wall than a brickwall

 

[Theunis]

Yes and he was to ignorant to know this is not viewed as a historical event but as fictitious myth, by all scholarly standards.

Apparently you do not know the definition of a Myth.
This a new one a "fictitious myth" LOL

 

[cambridge79]

There you confirm that, from my interpretation of what you say, you think that he may be a looney . Anyone can for that matter, especially when they are fanatics or have a super duper ego or an over the wall self-esteem, be a looney.

He does give the patent number so it is there for anyone, who wants to know, to look at what the patent consists of. Only after ascertaining this can anyone comment on the information as recorded for a specific patent number as recorded in the patent office.

i don't think he is a looney. i simply think the only fact that he worked at Nasa isn't something sufficient to make him an authority on the subject. I prefer to know what he says than to know who he is.

 

[Aupmanyav]

My dear Aupmanyay I remember you well from conversations on the about.com, Hinduism Forum where you twisted everything that Daniel had to say about the bible not being his bible and other things and your insistence that you were an Advainta Atheist. His years of studying yoga, meditation, hypnosis etc was time and again poo poohed by you while you yourself had no knowledge of such things - Tell me what did Arjuna say to Krsn regarding the mind?

No man can ever be his own Guru for he is to fallible and as far as I recollect you were barely on the first rung of the ladder to be a student.
Please your misunderstandings, miscomprehensions and strawman tactics there were more in line with a tatanium wall than a brickwall

Thank you for the compliments. No one should bang his head against a wall in trying to change a believer into an unbeliever, that is simply what I said. For me, what Daniel did was a waste of time. How is he, still at about.com giving out his judgement on Hinduism?

 

[Theunis]

Thank you for the compliments. No one should bang his head against a wall in trying to change a believer into an unbeliever, that is simply what I said. For me, what Daniel did was a waste of time. How is he, still at about.com giving out his judgement on Hinduism?

There surely were some misunderstandings in the beginning. Actually there was no knocking of Hinduism; If you remember Vicky you would have seen from the conversations with her that the quest was to learn about Hinduism.
He apologizes for those initial "misshaps" and assures you that he did not attempt any "conversions". He just could not figure out how someone who believed in the existence of Brahma could be an atheist. It eventually dawned on him that Brahma could be seen as a pantheistic god.

Daniel is at the moment bedridden with a super-Bacterium - Pseudomonas, which attacked his lungs and caused all foods to stink and he could'nt eat anyything - This bacterium adapts and becomes immune to a number of anti-biotics. Four different types have been tried to no avail.. He lost about 12-1/2 Kilos in weight and can barely walk twelve steps using a walking stick. He looks like a scare-crow consisting of skin and bone alone.

About.com has closed down all of their Forums.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I am sorry to hear about Daniel. Read about Pseuomonas infections in Wikipedia. I hope some combination of antibiotics will be able to help him recover. In case you correspond with him, kindly convey my best wishes for him and my excuse for the exchanges we had at about.com. Yes, our take on Hinduism differed because I have no mystic inclination.

 

[Theunis]

that is what I have been trying to say and it like banging my head against a wall. But given that because I defended you, which you deserved, I am now not worthy of any respect. I doubt I will lose any sleep over that. And I will defend those whom I think are correct, and more importantly, my friends. Kiss kiss darling.

This is what I said - which was a direct reference to Outhouse and his ways.

With so many facetious remarks and speak to the hand emoticons any person indulging in such activities will have to show a vast improvement before I will even consider to regard that person as worthy of respect.

If you think you fall under the foregoing category then it is your misunderstanding and so be it. However I am still waiting for a response to my question as to where I said you are not worthy of respect !

 

[outhouse]

With so many facetious remarks and speak to the hand emoticons any person indulging in such activities will have to show a vast improvement before I will even consider to regard that person as worthy of respect.

Having debated most everything here 10 X over for more then half a decade in detail.

I do get frustrated when people lack the knowledge on these topics and refuse credible education anyone can access at their fingertips.

Its not the ignorance that bothers me, I started here knowing nothing. Its the lack of communication skills and willful ignorance that frustrates me.


Everyone is on equal footing, and treated by how the treat others, and me.

 

[Theunis]

Having debated most everything here 10 X over for more then half a decade in detail.

I do get frustrated when people lack the knowledge on these topics and refuse credible education anyone can access at their fingertips.

Its not the ignorance that bothers me, I started here knowing nothing. Its the lack of communication skills and willful ignorance that frustrates me.


Everyone is on equal footing, and treated by how the treat others, and me.

It is so and I saw your frustration in the "hand". All I am trying to do is to show you that an open mind, to view all possibilities, is better than summarily dismissing the thoughts of others with facetious remarks and innuendos.

Peace be yours

 

[Theunis]

Having debated most everything here 10 X over for more then half a decade in detail.

I do get frustrated when people lack the knowledge on these topics and refuse credible education anyone can access at their fingertips.

Its not the ignorance that bothers me, I started here knowing nothing. Its the lack of communication skills and willful ignorance that frustrates me.

Everyone is on equal footing, and treated by how the treat others, and me.

The Golden Rule - Treat others as you wish to be treated -
Riders to this is -
1. There is nothing more difficult to follow; we can but do no more than to try to follow this Rule.
2. They say patience is a virtue; I however say Patience is a virgin because no-one has ever had Patience.
3. For Christians - Even Jesus lost his cool when he found that a place of worship was changed into a market place.

People from all over the world try their best to communicate and even regional use of words do not always have the same meaning.

Perhaps a break for a while would restore your equilibrium.

 

[JoStories]

Probably, that is where you went wrong. Did you not know that it was useless?

Not initially, no. It became clear yesterday.

 

[JoStories]

Just try reading the bible with an open mind regarding such "chariots" They are found under different texts where the observers try to explain what they saw using words common to their time.

What about the UFO's seen in our modern times. That is those for which no logical explanations could be found.

I really do believe, as Asimov said, that there is life out there, as it would be an awful waste of space otherwise. Loose quote there of course. But to think that all those alleged UFOs are really alien craft is just too much. Why would they fly around and never land and make contact? It is just too convienent for the UFO fanatics.

 

[JoStories]

So I did without success but in you jumped defending him left right and centre without really understanding what it is all about.

With so many facetious remarks and speak to the hand emoticons any person indulging in such activities will have to show a vast improvement before I will even consider to regard that person as worthy of respect.

Dear lady where did I ever say you were not worthy of respect ?

If you read the first post you made, you will note that you did make the remark that I had defended Outhouse and that furthermore, anyone doing as you note in the second remark is not worthy of respect. I imagine this clears things up about that, non?