What is wrong with Islam?

[MD]

Eternity is a long time. Take a million zeroes, add a billion zeroes, and then add another trillion zeroes. And we haven't even touched eternity. It's infinite. The universe is endless.

To think that some book, filled with scientific inaccuracies, with flying horses and beings of fire, is supposed to be fully true, is just comical. To think that it came only to Saudi Arabia, to some guy called Mohammed, and that his stories and phrases have to be law, is insane. To think it is eternal , for all time, and should be enforced, is dangerous.

 

[sovietchild]

"Islam will perish (i.e., knowledge will perish and its traces will be effaced) like the embroideries of a garment perish, until (the time) when fasting, prayer, worship, and charity will not be known; when in one night forgetfulness will pass over the Book (the Qur'an) and not a single Verse from it will remain on the earth. A group of people will remain — the aged man and woman — who will say, 'We were around when our father was upon this word: Laailaha illallaah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), but they will not know what is prayer, fasting, worship, or charity."

-Prophet Muhammad

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Since a 'species' is a group of living organism, how did those organisms ever come to have life in the first place?

We don't know. And the great thing about science is, unlike religion, it doesn't make up stories. And with you saying the Big Bang, you show your lack of understanding. Science does not claim or state the Big Bang started life, only the Universe. The answer of biogenesis remains unsolved.

Well if you don't believe whatsoever, then what am I doing trying to keep the conversation going?

Because beliefs without evidence that cannot stand up to reason and fact should be questioned and challenged.

 

[Notanumber]

Yup...to be clear, I'm an atheist, but not an anti-theist. I have no issue with religion or theists, etc as a whole.

Some specific beliefs are a different story, but I try not to prejudge. Like anyone, I guess I have times I manage that better than others!

So, Paris then. I'm fine with people disagreeing vehemently with the cartoonists and their message.

Death threats are out though.

And killing? No way. So whilst I can see both being wrong, in your opinion, is there a distinction on level? For example, are they both things you find distasteful, are they both things which should be illegal, etc?

Oh, and just in case you are interested...on the Danish cartoons, etc.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1907545

From that huffpost link

“Hundreds of thousands of people protested the cartoons, leaving nearly 250 dead and 800 or so wounded. The new uproar over the “Innocence of Muslims” video — in which protests have left scores dead and relations shaky between the West and the Islamic world — is occurring almost exactly seven years after the old one.”

This is a preview of what will happen to western countries once the birth rate and immigration has increase the numbers sufficiently for the big takeover to occur. Then we will find out the true meaning of Sharia law.

 

[kaoticprofit]

We don't know. And the great thing about science is, unlike religion, it doesn't make up stories.. The answer of biogenesis remains unsolved.

Because beliefs without evidence that cannot stand up to reason and fact should be questioned and challenged.

Religion didn't create anything. The God of science did.

And with you saying the Big Bang, you show your lack of understanding. Science does not claim or state the Big Bang started life, only the Universe.

Science likes it when they are proven wrong. "From error to error we discover truth." So why is there life in the our planet, it is part of the universe? And you have the nerve to tell me I LACK UNDERSTANDING!

 

[sovietchild]

What about the Vikings?

What is wrong with Islam? And what will the outcome be If you mix hot weather with people coming to your nation for oil?

 

[David1967]

What is wrong with Islam? And what will the outcome be If you mix hot weather with people coming to your nation for oil?

My comment was in relation to hot temperature in relation to violence. The Vikings took violence to extremes and I'm pretty sure its cold in Norway.

 

[idav]

If you don't want to read Quran then don't do It, It's only a reminder. If you don't want to pray 5 times a day then don't do It, It's only a recommendation. If you don't want to read Islamic books then you don't have to do It, It's only a motivation. A motivation for you to remember The Creator.

What is wrong with Islam? Now days there is a lot of criticism about Islamic religion. Terrorist this and terrorist that. There is 0.007% chance that I am a terrorist. Life is a gamble.

I met a soldier at the gym. This is what he tolled me: "When I was in Iraq I looked at the thermometer and It was 150 degrees F, no wonder why those people are so aggressive."

Hot temperatures increase aggression by directly increasing feelings of hostility and indirectly increasing aggressive thoughts.

If you add hot weather with people coming to your nation for oil. What will the outcome be?

The problem with Islam is its a political system pretending to be a religion. That is really backwards, here in the US you have to be a religion pretending not to be a political system.

 

[YmirGF]

I have to admit that I cannot find much to pat Islam on the head for. It brought nothing positive that had not already existed for generations. In my view there are two things very wrong with Islamic "thought" or what passes for thought in Islamic circles. One is a warped understanding of human sexuality. The other is a distinct predilection for fanaticism. A third concern is the perception of what constitutes criticism and what is suddenly permissible to be done to one who is critical of this peculiar, highly insecure, belief system.

Tied to this last one is the warped idea that it is OK to fight the unbeliever. I don't think that anyone would dispute the right for one to verbally defend their belief system, but the instant you take up arms to prove your point, you've pretty well nullified any moral authority and it become understandable why many would choose to persecute such a belief system.

 

[sovietchild]

My comment was in relation to hot temperature in relation to violence. The Vikings took violence to extremes and I'm pretty sure its cold in Norway.

I agree with your logic. There were many soldiers like the Huns and The Vikings. Everyone has to eat. However the ice has being melting, the temperature is increasing. Even back in my home country people are starting to buy air conditioners which you didn't have to do back in the day.

There were many violations in USA army in Iraq. I believe the weather had a major impact on them. Including the rebels.

 

[Kirran]

If I may ask, are you of Tatar background? Chechen?

 

[idav]

in Iraq. I believe the weather had a major impact on them. Including the rebels.

People have to be in air conditioned environments for weather that hot, people here the midwest die in the summer if they don't have AC.

 

[David1967]

I agree with your logic. There were many soldiers like the Huns and The Vikings. Everyone has to eat. However the ice has being melting, the temperature is increasing. Even back in my home country people are starting to buy air conditioners which you didn't have to do back in the day.

There were many violations in USA army in Iraq. I believe the weather had a major impact on them. Including the rebels.

I don't know much about the weather in Iraq. Is it hotter there now than in the past? Are drought conditions worse? A friend of mine served in Iraq. He said the heat was brutal.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't know much about the weather in Iraq. Is it hotter there now than in the past? Are drought conditions worse? A friend of mine served in Iraq. He said the heat was brutal.

True, but I doubt your friend implied that the heat made him a homicidal maniac.

 

[sovietchild]

If I may ask, are you of Tatar background? Chechen?

https://www.ancestry.com/dna/public...91435bba/aee62539-be31-4640-839a-ec0ce1e8c6b0

 

[Ouroboros]

What about the Vikings?

Probably the mead.

 

[Kirran]

https://www.ancestry.com/dna/public...91435bba/aee62539-be31-4640-839a-ec0ce1e8c6b0

Well, this was very specific, cheers.

To be honest, I was interested in whence your family's Muslim background. Of course many Russian ethnic minorities are traditionally Muslim. Do you speak a language such as Avar or Crimean Tatar in your family?

 

[interminable]

A multitude of things, but the fact that it forbids bacon alone invalidates it.

I like those who are honest but please think about your criteria
U made your abdomen a criteria for evaluating a religion
I think it's better to debunk a religion or idea by something rational

 

[YmirGF]

I like those who are honest but please think about your criteria
U made your abdomen a criteria for evaluating a religion
I think it's better to debunk a religion or idea by something rational

I don't even see it as a "debunking" issue, more of a hard, cold and sober look at the vapid claims.... especially in the moral superiority department.

 

[Jumi]

Without going into depth what sect we are talking about it is hard to say, there are sects that are downright evil that want to kill anyone not from their sect and ones that focus on charity and things I find beneficial. Much the same can be said of other religions. When I came to this forum I had a more negative view of Islam, but I've met some good people here who are Muslims.