What"s with all the secrecy???

[Willamena]

and what of those who believed they did what god told them to do, fly into buildings...
i would assume their faith was very strong.
and if you think that act was an immoral act, you certainly didn't arrive to that conclusion from reading any book, it comes from YOUR OWN moral sense.

Al Queda are the new Godwin's law. :cover:

 

[atanu]

Al Queda are the new Godwin's law. :cover:

Hitler is feeling relieved.

 

[bushidogrendel]

Folks, the discussions on the later part of this thread has gone way, way off. I don't see the connection between a person's skin color and the topic. As far as I'm concerned the forum does not tolerate this so if you want discussing those things, do it on another thread. Let's respect the one who started this thread on the first place.

I am the one who started this thread. And I grant permission, as yaddoe has questioned credibility and authority on the topic at hand, when he has none himself.

 

[bushidogrendel]

I will gladly go answer all your questions as soon as the new thread is made.

Don't worry about it. I think we all already know the answers.

 

[Azekual]

The Black thing. That was another Bible thing. Since the days of Cain Blacks could not hold the priesthood.

I may be wrong about this, but I don't know many translations of the Bible that claim Cain's curse was to be black. I know at least one of them says " Black scar", but I do know that many people interpreted the curse as being black (and I'm sure many still do)

Maybe because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the very Church that Christ established in his day.

What?

No. LDS has not been around even remotely that long. LDS was founded in April of 1830.
and Christ didn't establish Christianity, the disciples he taught did after Christ's ascension to Heaven.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

and what of those who believed they did what god told them to do, fly into buildings...
i would assume their faith was very strong.
and if you think that act was an immoral act, you certainly didn't arrive to that conclusion from reading any book, it comes from YOUR OWN moral sense.

As for exactly what happend, I can not say, i wasn't there.
I know that in some instances that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. and fools many.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I may be wrong about this, but I don't know many translations of the Bible that claim Cain's curse was to be black. I know at least one of them says " Black scar", but I do know that many people interpreted the curse as being black (and I'm sure many still do)


What?

No. LDS has not been around even remotely that long. LDS was founded in April of 1830.
and Christ didn't establish Christianity, the disciples he taught did after Christ's ascension to Heaven.

It hasn't always exactly been the latter days now has it.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Don't worry about it. I think we all already know the answers.

If you do then what, is to point in asking the questions.

Here I will go make the new threads and we can discuss it there

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...sus-christ-latter-day-saints.html#post2546844

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...sus-christ-latter-day-saints.html#post2546847

I'll be waiting

 

[Quagmire]

Why don't you answer the Sky Daddy who has come asking? Why? Why???

I did. He ignored the question because it would have required an moment of self-reflection. Can't have that now.

 

[waitasec]

Al Queda are the new Godwin's law. :cover:

hey, i didn't bring hitler into this, you did.

 

[logician]

if the supernatural does exist. what's with all the secrecy? out of all of the gods "known" to man throughout history, not a single one has made his actual existence known. never did a sky daddy come down to show himself to everyone... why?? why does god not make his existence known, and then let everyone decide whether or not they would like to worship him for eternity??? why turn it into a silly game of hide and seek, where only some humans claim that the gods have revealed themselves to them, while others are left in the dark....... why not just make his existence known and let us make the decision whether or not to follow him.... we will still have free will of course....

The easy answere is there is no entity that fits that description, i.e. the "god" description.

 

[waitasec]

As for exactly what happend, I can not say, i wasn't there.
I know that in some instances that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. and fools many.

and what makes you think the ones flying into the WWC didn't think the same of americans?

you are speaking of a subjective truth...
and it doesn't hold water, not one ounce.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

When it comes to the authority thing. Continuing the conversation with an atheist is pointless. It all comes back down to "I said a prayer and got an answer" "No you didn't" "Yes I did" "No you didn't' "Yes I did".... on and on and on

 

[waitasec]

When it comes to the authority thing. Continuing the conversation with an atheist is pointless. It all comes back down to "I said a prayer and got an answer" "No you didn't" "Yes I did" "No you didn't' "Yes I did".... on and on and on

is this how you want to avoid the question...?

in the words of darth vader,
impressive, most impressive

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Your statement is the same as why is there so many churches out there.
There is already a forum on that.

Why do you keep trying to change the subject of "Why all the secrecy?"

You sound like you are cornered and trying to get away.
Maybe this debate is over.
It has all boiled down to
A. God doesn't exist
B. God has his reasons for being mysterious
and many are described in (The Value of the Veil) that I posted earlier.

 

[waitasec]

Your statement is the same as why is there so many churches out there.
There is already a forum on that.

Why do you keep trying to change the subject of "Why all the secrecy?"

You sound like you are cornered and trying to get away.
Maybe this debate is over.
It has all boiled down to
A. God doesn't exist
B. God has his reasons for being mysterious
and many are described in (The Value of the Veil) that I posted earlier.

but this is about the secrecy....the secrecy being the subjective understanding...
if god were to be empirically understood we would all know what god is.
like running through a brick wall is an impossibility...that is no secret.

 

[bushidogrendel]

but this is about the secrecy....the secrecy being the subjective understanding...
if god were to be empirically understood we would all know what god is.
like running through a brick wall is an impossibility...that is no secret.

I'm calling you out. Your whole argument fails due to your flawed example on account of, what if its a really really reeeeeally thin brick wall? Hmm? What now.. I win, u lose, go home........high five yaddoe, i got your back ma elder.

 

[Azekual]

I'm calling you out. Your whole argument fails due to your flawed example on account of, what if its a really really reeeeeally thin brick wall? Hmm? What now.. I win, u lose, go home........high five yaddoe, i got your back.

The wall would have collapsed by itself before you had the chance to hit it.

 

[Willamena]

but this is about the secrecy....the secrecy being the subjective understanding...
if god were to be empirically understood we would all know what god is.
like running through a brick wall is an impossibility...that is no secret.

Not if you're Kitty Pryde.

A promise is a subjective understanding. Is that, necessarily, a "secret" thing?

And no, I didn't bring Hitler into it.