What the New Testament says about God is true

[Trailblazer]

There will always be some that Ike the old bridge better, but unfortunately, it's being replaced.

And that my friend is what Christians cannot face, that the old bridge has been replaced.
Sorry, that is not the fault of the Baha'is since it was God who was responsible for the replacement.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's completely ridiculous that as a Christian, I am expected to interpret the Bible from a Baha'i perspective.

It's completely ridiculous that as a Baha'i, I am expected to interpret the Bible from a Christian perspective.

Moreover, I find it astonishing that you claim your religious leader regarded the Bible as a crucial source of divine wisdom and Jesus as a singular Savior, yet you deem the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, like everlasting life on earth and resurrection, "absurd".

Baha'u'llah was a Manifestation of God, not a religious leader.

Baha'u'llah regarded the Bible as a crucial source of divine wisdom and Jesus as a singular Savior.

Everlasting life on earth is not a teaching of the Bible, which is why I consider it utterly absurd.
Only JWs teach such an absurd belief. Other Christians correctly believe that they will spend eternity in heaven since they know how to interpret what the Bible says regarding the afterlife.

Resurrection is a teaching of the Bible but Christians have failed to apprehend what resurrection means.
Christians believe that resurrection means a physical body rising from the grave.

Baha'u'llah straightened out the meaning of resurrection while addressing the Muslims.

“How strange! These people with one hand cling to those verses of the Qur’án and those traditions of the people of certitude which they have found to accord with their inclinations and interests, and with the other reject those which are contrary to their selfish desires. “Believe ye then part of the Book, and deny part?” 4 …….. And yet, through the mystery of the former verse, they have turned away from the grace promised by the latter, despite the fact that “attainment unto the divine Presence” in the “Day of Resurrection” is explicitly stated in the Book. It hath been demonstrated and definitely established, through clear evidences, that by “Resurrection” is meant the rise of the Manifestation of God to proclaim His Cause, and by “attainment unto the divine Presence” is meant attainment unto the presence of His Beauty in the person of His Manifestation.”
(The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 169-170)

“Strive, therefore, O my brother, to grasp the meaning of “Resurrection,” and cleanse thine ears from the idle sayings of these rejected people. Shouldst thou step into the realm of complete detachment, thou wilt readily testify that no day is mightier than this Day, and that no resurrection more awful than this Resurrection can ever be conceived. One righteous work performed in this Day, equalleth all the virtuous acts which for myriads of centuries men have practised—nay, We ask forgiveness of God for such a comparison! For verily the reward which such a deed deserveth is immensely beyond and above the estimate of men. Inasmuch as these undiscerning and wretched souls have failed to apprehend the true meaning of “Resurrection” and of the “attainment unto the divine Presence,” they therefore have remained utterly deprived of the grace thereof.
(The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 144-145)

Clearly, following humans is a snare... Nonetheless, sorry to tell you that your opinion about Christian issues is irrelevant; the perspective of a Muslim about Jesus and the Bible should not concern a Christian in the slightest.

Sorry to tell you that your opinion about Christian issues is irrelevant to me since I believe that Christians derailed the Christian Faith long, long ago.

The resurrection of Jesus is a sine qua non teaching for the followers of Jesus, from the first to the last. It was a prediction of Jesus throughout his earthly ministry and it is indisputable that it was fulfilled.

Talk is cheap. Please show me verses that show that the resurrection of Jesus was a prediction of Jesus throughout his earthly ministry.

Why are you talking about the resurrection of Jesus? JWs do not believe that Jesus rose bodily as other Christians believe.
JWs believe the same as Baha'is, that Jesus received a spiritual body when He was resurrected by God.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was resurrected along with his physical body. Their position is that Jesus was resurrected “in the spirit,” meaning that he received only his spiritual body when he was resurrected by God.Oct 19, 2017
What do Jehovah's Witnesses believe about Jesus ... - Quora

Indeed, a person who says she has no reason to believe in the Bible has nothing to say about what it teaches.

Please quote me saying that I have no reason to believe in the Bible.
I have a reason to believe in it because Baha'u'llah said it is God's greatest testimony to His creatures.

But even if I had no reason to believe in the Bible, I could still have a lot to say about what it teaches.
Look at all the atheists on this forum who have an interest in what the Bible teaches.

 

[Trailblazer]

To build this bridge there has to be some demolition and removal.

Some but not all Christian beliefs need to be demolished and removed. With what is left a bridge can be built, but the reason no bridge can be built is that Christians will not tolerate any of their beliefs to be removed, not one jot or tittle.

Born Again Christians aren't going to blow up their foundational beliefs to get along with and find some common ground with Baha'is.

You can say that again!

But what are Baha'is going to demolish and remove? Probably nothing. Baha'is believe they have the absolute, infallible truth from God. Baha'is would have to do the demolition of the Christians beliefs.

No, the only demolition that is necessary to build a bridge with Christians is the demolition of false Christian doctrines.

And Baha'is do try. Just like TB with her "Jesus said he's never coming back" quotes.

How unfair! ~~ Those are my TB's never coming back" quotes.
Those are Jesus' never coming back" quotes, the verses that Christians refuse to believe.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

 

[Eli G]

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was resurrected along with his physical body.

Jehovah's Witnesses do believe that Jesus was given a spirit body when he was resurrected. Since we do not believe in the immortality of any soul after the death of the person, we know what Jesus said about himself here:

Rev. 1:17 ... “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the [Hades]."

According to Jesus' words, Bahais are wrong about what happened to him after his death.

The Bible teaches that Jesus was really dead, and waiting (unconsciously) until the third day until Jehovah God resurrected him, bringing him out of that state and bringing him back to life. In order to do that, God had to give a living body to a dead and unconscious person, so He gave him a spirit body like the one he had before he was born as a human.

BahaUllah, on his side, never existed before he was born, he never came from God's side, and he has never been seen after he died, because if he is to be resurrected, he will have to wait for Jesus to resurrect him.

 

[YoursTrue]

@Trailblazer Do you believe that when you die your body will rise?

 

[Trailblazer]

@Trailblazer Do you believe that when you die your body will rise?

No, I do not believe that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Some but not all Christian beliefs need to be demolished and removed. With what is left a bridge can be built, but the reason no bridge can be built is that Christians will not tolerate any of their beliefs to be removed, not one jot or tittle.

We shall see, perhaps, what we shall see about beliefs, both of Bahai's and other religions.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, I do not believe that.

So your body will deteriorate when you die. Is that what you believe? Depending your preference, such as cremation or if one's body is put in a coffin and turns to mush there perhaps, or drowns, etc. So you believe the body will not rise, right?

 

[Eli G]

Bahais think that "resurrection" is when the soul goes out of the body of the person who dies.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jehovah's Witnesses do believe that Jesus was given a spirit body when he was resurrected. Since we do not believe in the immortality of any soul after the death of the person, we know what Jesus said about himself here:

Rev. 1:17 ... “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the [Hades]."

According to Jesus' words, Bahais are wrong about what happened to him after his death.

Sorry, those are not Jesus' words , so Baha'is are not wrong about what happened to him after his death.

The Bible teaches that Jesus was really dead, and waiting (unconsciously) until the third day until Jehovah God resurrected him, bringing him out of that state and bringing him back to life. In order to do that, God had to give a living body to a dead and unconscious person, so He gave him a spirit body like the one he had before he was born as a human.

No, the Bible does not teach that. Christians teach that.

BahaUllah, on his side, never existed before he was born,

The soul of Baha'u'llah existed in the spiritual world before His body was born into this world, just as the soul of Baha'u'llah existed in the spiritual world before His body was born into this world.

(96) PRE-EXISTENCE - of Prophets
The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.
(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)

he never came from God's side,

Baha'u'llah came from God's side, just as Jesus did.

and he has never been seen after he died,

Jesus was never seen after he died. Those are just stories about Jesus. There were no eyewitness testimonies.

There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament

The New Testament was written by people who were not eye witnesses to Jesus. There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament. The four gospels were written and circulated anonymously and the traditional authorship was secondarily assigned towards the end of the second century...

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because if he is to be resurrected, he will have to wait for Jesus to resurrect him.

I'm dying with laughter. There is nothing more to say, nothing more that I will say, since I don't want to lose my membership on this forum.

 

[Eli G]

I'm dying with laughter...

I'm glad to know that, so I don't feel guilty about being the only one who enjoys reading so much biblical ignorance...

 

[YoursTrue]

Bahais think that "resurrection" is when the soul goes out of the body of the person who dies.

So I'm reading. The body dies and the soul goes on. Many people believe that, not just Bahai's. I remember someone (a well educated person working as a teacher and writer in the school system) said that her culture leaves a window open so the soul can fly out the window after death.

 

[Spice]

From: The Imitation of Christ,
by Thomas A. Kempis
15th century ----- Book 1:3:3

O God, who art the truth, make me one with thee in everlasting love! I am often weary of reading, and weary of hearing; in thee alone is the sum of my desires! Let all teachers be silent, let the whole creation be dumb before thee, and do thou only speak unto my soul!

 

[YoursTrue]

Sorry, those are not Jesus' words , so Baha'is are not wrong about what happened to him after his death.

No, the Bible does not teach that. Christians teach that.

The soul of Baha'u'llah existed in the spiritual world before His body was born into this world, just as the soul of Baha'u'llah existed in the spiritual world before His body was born into this world.

(96) PRE-EXISTENCE - of Prophets
The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.
(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)

Baha'u'llah came from God's side, just as Jesus did.

Jesus was never seen after he died. Those are just stories about Jesus. There were no eyewitness testimonies.

There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament

The New Testament was written by people who were not eye witnesses to Jesus. There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament. The four gospels were written and circulated anonymously and the traditional authorship was secondarily assigned towards the end of the second century...

www.religiousforums.com

I'm dying with laughter. There is nothing more to say, nothing more that I will say, since I don't want to lose my membership on this forum.

One hand you quote the Bible as if it's true or should be believed, on the other hand you don't believe what it says. OK, and -- have a good day.

 

[Eli G]

So I'm reading. The body dies and the soul goes on. Many people believe that, not just Bahai's. I remember someone (a well educated person working as a teacher and writer in the school system) said that her culture leaves a window open so the soul can fly out the window after death.

Yeah, that's their philosophy: if you die you are resurrected automatically. If you were good you become an angel and if not ... I may ask a Bahai what they think will happen to a no-good-enough person when s/he resurrects. The answer may surprise everyone; they are very witty on their beliefs.

 

[YoursTrue]

From: The Imitation of Christ,
by Thomas A. Kempis
15th century ----- Book 1:3:3

O God, who art the truth, make me one with thee in everlasting love! I am often weary of reading, and weary of hearing; in thee alone is the sum of my desires! Let all teachers be silent, let the whole creation be dumb before thee, and do thou only speak unto my soul!

I sympathize with Kempis here. Beautiful and understandable sentiments on his part.

 

[Trailblazer]

So your body will deteriorate when you die. Is that what you believe? Depending your preference, such as cremation or if one's body is put in a coffin and turns to mush there perhaps, or drowns, etc. So you believe the body will not rise, right?

Yes, I believe that our body will deteriorate when we die. I do not believe the body will rise out of the grave.
This is the most absurd of all Christian beliefs. There is absolutely no evidence that any body ever rose from the grave, not even the body of Jesus.
This is what atheists refer to as mere belief.

I feel sorry for Christians who believe this because they are in for a big shock after they die, as my friend @Sgt. Pepper knows only too well.

 

[Trailblazer]

Bahais think that "resurrection" is when the soul goes out of the body of the person who dies.

No, that is not what Baha'is believe. What we believe resurrection means is in the following passages.

“How strange! These people with one hand cling to those verses of the Qur’án and those traditions of the people of certitude which they have found to accord with their inclinations and interests, and with the other reject those which are contrary to their selfish desires. “Believe ye then part of the Book, and deny part?” 4 …….. And yet, through the mystery of the former verse, they have turned away from the grace promised by the latter, despite the fact that “attainment unto the divine Presence” in the “Day of Resurrection” is explicitly stated in the Book. It hath been demonstrated and definitely established, through clear evidences, that by “Resurrection” is meant the rise of the Manifestation of God to proclaim His Cause, and by “attainment unto the divine Presence” is meant attainment unto the presence of His Beauty in the person of His Manifestation.”
The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 169-170

“Strive, therefore, O my brother, to grasp the meaning of “Resurrection,” and cleanse thine ears from the idle sayings of these rejected people. Shouldst thou step into the realm of complete detachment, thou wilt readily testify that no day is mightier than this Day, and that no resurrection more awful than this Resurrection can ever be conceived. One righteous work performed in this Day, equalleth all the virtuous acts which for myriads of centuries men have practised—nay, We ask forgiveness of God for such a comparison! For verily the reward which such a deed deserveth is immensely beyond and above the estimate of men. Inasmuch as these undiscerning and wretched souls have failed to apprehend the true meaning of “Resurrection” and of the “attainment unto the divine Presence,” they therefore have remained utterly deprived of the grace thereof. "
The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 144-145

 

[Spice]

Peace is not a relationship of Nations. It is condition of mine brought about by serenity of soul. Peace is not merely the absence of war is also a state of mind lasting peace can only come to peaceful people.
~ Jawaharial Nehru

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm glad to know that, so I don't feel guilty about being the only one who enjoys reading so much biblical ignorance...

I do not enjoy reading so much biblical ignorance of Christians, but I do it because I consider it my job to post the truth.