Where are the people?

[ppp]

Don't you have anything better to do than look at what 'you believe' are the faults of others?

I have nothing to go by but the words that you say. Now do I?

 

[CG Didymus]

Those who do not agree are purged from Bahai Community.

So, those that have become Baha'is, but then don't follow the Baha'i covenant are picked out. In God's future kingdom, the most great peace, where will they go?

And not only them... Thieves in the future will be kicked out also...

"Exile and imprisonment are decreed for the thief, and, on the third offence, place ye a mark upon his brow so that, thus identified, he may not be accepted in the cities of God and His countries. Beware lest, through compassion, ye neglect to carry out the statutes of the religion of God...​

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In the future, by the time they've gotten rid of all undesirables, of course, there will be perfect peace and unity.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have nothing to go by but the words that you say. Now do I?

You have 'personal opinions' regarding those words, which are not necessarily accurate.
And that is 'one reason' why I believe we should not judge other people.

The other reason is because we should be looking at our own faults, not the faults of others.
This is not only a religious belief, I learned that back in the 1990s when I used to attend 12 Step programs.

 

[ppp]

You have 'personal opinions' regarding those words, which are not necessarily accurate.

I have nothing to go by but the words that you say. Now do I?

 

[Trailblazer]

I have nothing to go by but the words that you say. Now do I?

You have 'personal opinions' regarding those words, which are not necessarily accurate.
Do you understand that your personal opinions about me are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

 

[ppp]

You have 'personal opinions' regarding those words, which are not necessarily accurate.

So much for your always answering the questions posed to you.

Do you understand that your personal opinions about me are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

I see no reason to answer your questions when you won't hold up your side of the social contract of the conversation.

 

[Trailblazer]

So much for your always answering the questions posed to you.

No, you have nothing to go by but the words that I say.

I see no reason to answer your questions when you won't hold up your side of the social contract of the conversation.

I answered your question. Now answer my question.
Do you understand that your personal opinions about me that are based upon the words I say are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

 

[ppp]

No, you have nothing to go by but the words that I say.

Thank you.

Do you understand that your personal opinions about me that are based upon the words I say are not necessarily accurate?

As I have complained protested remonstrated groused about several times, you make no distinction between sound conclusions and mere personal opinions. You have no methodology for demonstrating accuracy versus inaccuracy. Until you can remedy that in the form of some sort of vaguely robust epistemology, from you that question has, quite literally, no meaning to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

As I have complained protested remonstrated groused about several times, you make no distinction between sound conclusions and mere personal opinions. You have no methodology for demonstrating accuracy versus inaccuracy. Until you can remedy that in the form of some sort of vaguely robust epistemology, from you that question has, quite literally, no meaning to me.

You did not answer my question.
I answered your question, now answer my question.

Do you understand that your personal opinions about me that are based upon the words I say are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

After you answer that I will reply to the rest of your post.

 

[Trailblazer]

Until you can remedy that in the form of some sort of vaguely robust epistemology, from you that question has, quite literally, no meaning to me.

That is called obfuscation. The question was a straightforward yes or no question.
It was not intended to have meaning for you, it was intended to further an honest dialog.

 

[ppp]

You did not answer my question.

And I explained, quite clearly, why your question is not currently coherent enough to be answerable. I also explained what needed to be done to fix that deficit. Bolding your font is not a substitute for said clarity. You can either provide the missing substance, or you can do... whatever else it is that you choose to do. I won't debate you on the matter.

 

[CG Didymus]

I have nothing to go by but the words that you say. Now do I?

Well then believe her and go by her words. She doesn't believe in looking at the faults of others and judging them. She believes in looking at her own faults. Which are what? Has she talked about any?

Edit...
Oops, I didn't notice... our opinion of her words might, and probably are, inaccurate. So, then that means she does look at the faults of others and judges them? And ignores her own faults?

 

[danieldemol]

Well then believe her and go by her words. She doesn't believe in looking at the faults of others and judging them. She believes in looking at her own faults. Which are what? Has she talked about any?

No she hasn't in my view, but she has attributed faults to me, see post #227 or even earlier posts such as #222 where she accused @ppp of ego.

Seems like its only wrong to judge when her or her tribe are in the spotlight in my opinion.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, I still say, it's up to the Baha'is, if they believe in unity, to find ways to create unity between yourselves and those of us that don't believe like you.

That is community building CG. Based on the core virtues and morals that all true faith provides.

This is a debate forum which was unwise to offer participation in, which I slowly learning to draw away from.

I wish for you all the best life can offer, but I will not be around here much in the future.

I started a forum some time ago, but it attracts no visitors, such is life.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

And I explained, quite clearly, why your question is not currently coherent enough to be answerable. I also explained what needed to be done to fix that deficit.

That's obfuscation, plain and simple.
My question is perfectly coherent. A third-grader could understand it.
You will keep getting the same question until you answer it.

Do you understand that your personal opinions about me that are based upon the words I say are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

Bolding your font is not a substitute for said clarity. You can either provide the missing substance, or you can do... whatever else it is that you choose to do. I won't debate you on the matter.

Nothing more is necessary. You are just deflecting in order to avoid answering my simple question.

Do you understand that your personal opinions about me that are based upon the words I say are not necessarily accurate? Yes or no.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well then believe her and go by her words. She doesn't believe in looking at the faults of others and judging them. She believes in looking at her own faults. Which are what? Has she talked about any?

I know what my faults are and I have admitted to them many times on this forum. I guess you must have missed those posts.
@Truthseeker knows that I am always admitting my faults. I have never seen you admit to any.

Edit...
Oops, I didn't notice... our opinion of her words might, and probably are, inaccurate. So, then that means she does look at the faults of others and judges them? And ignores her own faults?

Please show me where I pointed out anyone else's faults. Evidence is everything. I will admit to what there is evidence for.
Pointing out that generally speaking people should not find fault with others is not pointing out their faults.

 

[Trailblazer]

No she hasn't in my view, but she has attributed faults to me, see post #227 or even earlier posts such as #222 where she accused @ppp of ego.

That's hilarious. None of those posts have me attributing faults to you or @ppp. I stay on topic rather than getting personal.

 

[Trailblazer]

you make no distinction between sound conclusions and mere personal opinions. You have no methodology for demonstrating accuracy versus inaccuracy. Until you can remedy that in the form of some sort of vaguely robust epistemology, from you that question has, quite literally, no meaning to me.

It is only your personal opinion that:

I make no distinction between sound conclusions and mere personal opinions. I have no methodology for demonstrating accuracy versus inaccuracy.

I cannot remedy your personal opinion.

 

[ppp]

That's obfuscation, plain and simple.

It is only your personal opinion that:

I reject your claims.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That's hilarious. None of those posts have me attributing faults to you or @ppp. I stay on topic rather than getting personal.

Just remember, my friend, that these people are merely strangers on the internet expressing their opinions of you and your beliefs. You can give them all the consideration that you think they deserve and dismiss their opinions as irrelevant if you want to. Frankly, I think that you do a good job of articulating yourself and explaining your spiritual beliefs. I've learned quite a lot about the Baha'i Faith because of you, and I appreciate you sharing your beliefs.