What you say makes sense.
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Who here is enlightened?
- Thread starter Penumbra
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What you say makes sense.
But then, of course, there's always the danger of becoming attached to the unknowingness and building a nest for makyo there.
But then, of course, there's always the danger of becoming attached to the unknowingness and building a nest for makyo there.
I think that is why so many people only have one experience of enlightenment, as we've been calling it. They become attached to it, thus preventing further experiences.
apophenia
Well-Known Member
I wrote a few posts back that there are at least two general takes on 'enlightenment' (both valid IMO, but often which one is meant is not defined).
You interpret the word in the sense of socially valuable moral wisdom, or something like that.
Others mean a condition of being which resolves the self-other dichotomy and the ambivalence and cognitive dissonance attendant to that.
Still others mean a total extinguishing of ego (if that is possible).
There are probably other takes on it too.
But then, of course, there's always the danger of becoming attached to the unknowingness and building a nest for makyo there.
Here> Apathetically disinterested in the whateverness of it all.
Does that mean I win?
A "certain body of knowledge" is a "nest," no?
Not necessarily, but it certainly can be. At least as I understand it.
EDIT: I think I may have subtly misunderstood your question. I took you to mean any "body of knowledge", whereas you perhaps meant only a body of knowledge that is understood to be obtained through enlightenment. If so, then I agree with you.
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apophenia
Well-Known Member
LOL, you win a cookie!
I'm sure NIX would love one of my cookies
Lots of fresh-ground cardamom seeds and soft brown sugar and butter .. and stuff
yum
Yum! **Passes apophenia some coffee.**I'm sure NIX would love one of my cookies
Lots of fresh-ground cardamom seeds and soft brown sugar and butter .. and stuff
yum
I just want to clarify for the sake of this thread- I have shared the most amazingly epic and profoundly life changing experience of my life with you because I felt it may be of interest to at least a couple of you, and because I like Penumbra.
Beyond that, I do not claim to be anything. My life in general to date is largely a testimony of what not to do- at least on the surface as regards larger practical matters and their fall out. The really good stuff about me is mostly hidden from public view. mostly. I can't imagine why anyone would want to "follow in the ways of my life", and I certainly wouldn't assist them in doing so. Quite the opposite really.
Beyond that, I do not claim to be anything. My life in general to date is largely a testimony of what not to do- at least on the surface as regards larger practical matters and their fall out. The really good stuff about me is mostly hidden from public view. mostly. I can't imagine why anyone would want to "follow in the ways of my life", and I certainly wouldn't assist them in doing so. Quite the opposite really.
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Just as well. You'd be wrong for sure.
Have you been talking to my x?
eh, have a cookie. It's new years.
Well Sunstone, we all/each have our own pants for a reason. Reach down inside for your own... answers*. yes. This is my enlightened answer and I stand by it (unless I'm tired and I happen to be laying down).
*cookies.
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skinker
Member
Interesting but still confirming my negative opinion of Buddhist philosophy that glorifies a single brain state as being superior over the normal range of human brain activity including emotional attachments. It makes zero sense to me to aim for a single brain state when dealing with complex reality takes as many differing brain states of consciousness as can be effective to the situations encountered in normal human community life. The physical symptoms of the brain's sense of self center being disabled are apparent in the difficulty of maintaining a "walking" "enlightenment" state of mind. That's why one sees the 1000's of sitting, lying down, sleepy eyed Buddha statues, again idolizing a single brain state. To me spending so much time in meditation using various chants and drone sounds can only dull the mind eventually and one see's in nations where Buddhism is the dominate religion, a cultural and technological backwardness. Japan, always militaristicly organized to win and copying Western technology, the exception to the rule. But even here one sees how Buddhists can mesmerize themselves into false beliefs and actions following them, e.g. the Zen Samarai employed by feudal warlords.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Well, perhaps, I think that opinion is a bit shallow, though, theologically speaking