Only I can have misunderstandings.
According to the scriptures, If we acknowledge and repent of our sins and confess them to God we can receive Gods forgiveness of our sins as we choose to believe and obey what Gods Word says see Proverbs 28:13; Acts 3:19; 1 John 1:9. God then promises to give us His Spirit to guide us and to teach us His Word which is a part of Gods new covenant promise (see John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; 1 John 2:27 and Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-36. However, according to the scriptures, if we do not repent of our sins of unbelief and disobedience to Gods law then we are still in our sins and will die in our sins it we reject the gift of Gods dear son and will be in danger of the judgement to come and the wrath of God abides on us. (see John 3:36; Hebrews 10:26-31; Ezekiel 18:4 and Romans 6:23).
I see some of your posts and how you expect all the scriptures to spin together like gears in a well oiled machine. I can see all the efforts you are making to get those gears to align and the compassionate attempts are impressive, yet these are not gears and do not spin together.
If you disagree with anything I have posted here or elsewhere, I would invite you to tell me exactly what it is you believe is not supported by the scriptures I have posted and to help me to see any errors in my posts proving your claims from the scriptures. I believe we should not be afraid to come to the light of Gods Word and to test what we believe and examine our selves to see if we are truly in the faith or not in the faith as this is what the scriptures teach (see John 3:19-21; 2 Corinthians 13:5 and 2 Timothy 3:16). It is better for us to find now that we are in error about something we believe in the scriptures that are leading us away from God and His Word into sin and unbelief, then to find out when it is too late only to hear the words of Jesus "Depart from me you who work iniquity, I never knew you" at the second coming *Matthew 7:21-23. So lets discuss dear friend. What is it that you believe I have shared from the scriptures that you disagree with and prove to me why you disagree with anything I have posted in any of my OPs from the scripture. If you cannot what is your disagreement? You have none but are simply in unbelief which is sin according to the bible.
The three scriptures provided show that he lies.
Actually the three scriptures you provided do not show that Jesus lied as proven in my last post to you in the scripture context that you missed in quoting John 2:19. If you read up just a little further in John 2:21 it clearly states verbatim "
But he spoke of the temple of his body." Sin is defined in the scriptures as the transgression of the law in 1 John 3:4 so if Jesus according to you sinned then He would be a sinner just like you and me and everyone in Christianity would be lost. The bible does not teach this. As posted earlier to you according to the scriptures, Jesus did not sin therefore he did not break Gods law and did not lie. So the bible is in disagreement with you here. Hebrew 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin to salvation.1 Peter 2:21-22 21, For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow his steps: 22,
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.
Someone then claims in another scripture that he never lies which is a contradiction, but it is not an evil contradiction.
As shown above it is not a contradiction of the scriptures. It is a contradiction to your understanding of the scriptures because you disregarded the following scripture context that defined what Jesus was talking about in John 2:21 you did not read and the rest of the bible that proves Jesus was sinless.
We should leave it at "Jesus is quoted as saying such and such" and judge for ourselves if what he is saying is good. We should not say "The bible says" or "Jesus says" or "God says."
The bible does say, Jesus said and God said. I believe the scriptures are Gods Word. If you read the scriptures that I share here what is quoted is stated verbatim in the scriptures. So there is nothing wrong with saying the bible says, Jesus says or God says if that is what is written in the scriptures because that is what is written.
[Heb 5:8-9 NIV] 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Here in Hebrews it claims Jesus must learn obedience and become perfected through suffering and death. In other words he does die for his own sins, since it says he is perfected in death. This seems the likely origin of the trinity by-the-way. The human denies himself becoming divine and the first among many brothers. We also, if we would follow Jesus, must become nothing. It is really hard, but Jesus calls it easy. "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30). That is not a lie, but it is turning the universe inside out to call the hardest thing easy.
For me you are reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say. There is no where in Hebrews 5 that states anywhere that Jesus is a sinner. Your interpretation of reading into the scriptures what is not written in the scriptures has your understanding of the bible in contradiction to what the bible actually says about Jesus being sinless and without sin and with no sin. Jesus being without and sin is actually stated word for word by the same author of Hebrews in Hebrew 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin so even the same author of Hebrews is in disagreement with you here. 1 Peter 2:21-22 21, For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow his steps: 22,
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Hebrews 5 does not state anywhere that Jesus sinned. That interpretation is you reading this into the scriptures and is in contradiction to scripture and the rest of the bible as demonstrated above. For me Hebrews 5 and its context is talking about Christs obedience tested through his trials and sufferings makes Him qualified to be our great high Priest because he was obedient unto death. His obedience was tested through His suffering and was found faithful to God even unto death. He has been tested and found obedient to God unto death. He was tested through suffering and did no sin. "Hebrews 5:8 He learned obedience καίπερ ὢν υἱός: “this is stated to obviate the very idea of assumption on his part”. Perhaps, therefore, we should translate, with a context to
Hebrews 5:5, “
although He was Son”. Although Son and therefore possessed of Divine love and in sympathy with the Divine purpose, He had yet to learn that perfect submission which is only acquired by obeying in painful, terrifying circumstances. He made deeper and deeper experience of what obedience is and costs. And the particular obedience [τὴν ὑπακ.] which was required of Him in the days of His flesh was that which at once gave Him perfect entrance into the Divine love and human need. It is when the child is told to do something which pains him, and which he shrinks from, that he learns obedience, learns to submit to another will." (
Expositor's Greek Testament). These scriptures are teaching that Jesus was tested and learned perfect obedience through His trials and temptations even unto death. Hebrews teaches word for word that Jesus was sinless and without sin.
This part of your post seems to point out the origin of the word 'Christian'. Each person is expected to deny themselves. This is the ideal which allows Jesus prayer in John 17 to (someday) be answered: that all of his disciples will be one as he and the Father are one. 1 Peter is particularly special, because he explains how converts ought to be made. It is not through talk but patient endurance. Many people read about preaching and "The foolishness of preaching" and somehow think it means that complex arguments and proofs lead to conversions.
Well the reason that Hebrews 4:15; Hebrew 9:28 and 1 Peter 2:21-22 21 were posted earlier to you was to show that Jesus was sinless and was without sin and did no sin. This was stated in the scriptures verbatim and underlined in my previous post to you as they are in disagreement of your claims that Jesus was a sinner. You may also need to consider that the reason God gave us His Word through the scriptures as shown in 2 Timothy 3:16 is also to help correct others with a wrong understanding of the scriptures for their own salvation and to also share Gods Word with the whole world which is the great commission given by Jesus and commanded in Matthew 28:18-20. According to the scriptures our salvation is not complex it is actually very simple and only requires us to believe and obey what Gods Word says (see John 3:36; John 3:16; Matthew 7:21-23).
It is very possible for me to draw a wrong conclusion, but I have no control over you. Isn't that good? You can decide for yourself what is right. The scriptures are written such that they are not forceful. They are useful, but there is a reason that contradictions are built in purposely, that the genealogies do not match and that the fulfillments are not. It keeps me from having you as a pet and you from me. Just like if you say Jesus never lies, and I say "But here is an example of him doing so!" You have lost control, because the scriptures won't let you wield them with authority. This is purposeful I think. Jesus says to the high priest, deceiving the high priest, that he can rebuild the temple. This is the place where the priest works. This is a deception, and Jesus plainly tells his disciples that Jesus does this frequently: speaking in parables to deceive. The principle is that Jesus can deceive you, too.
I reject your view that there is any contraction in the scriptures. If you find yourself thinking that there are contradictions it is perhaps that you have incorrectly interpreted what the scriptures are saying. The bible does not contradict itself. Our discussion is a good example because you believed through reading John 2:19 that Jesus was lying but you left out the scripture context in John 2:21 proving that Jesus was not lying that stated that Jesus was referring to the temple of His body, while the rest of the bible clearly states Jesus did no sin (scriptures already provided). You did not provide any examples of Jesus lying like you claim here. You posted a scripture taken out of context that led you to a wrong understanding of what the scriptures were saying.
Take Care.