Ebionite
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Bollocks.No, the Jews refer to all the extant descendants of the 12 tribes.
Then I cut asunder mine other staff, [even] Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
Zechariah 11:14
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Bollocks.No, the Jews refer to all the extant descendants of the 12 tribes.
No, they don't. The Tanak repudiates Paul and his doctrine.The new testament scriptures come from the old testament scriptures
"Bollocks" (as you say). Please forgive me but I do not believe you.No, they don't. The Tanak repudiates Paul and his doctrine.
Whether you believe me or not is unimportant. The facts are on my side."Bollocks" (as you say). Please forgive me but I do not believe you.
Well that is not true. You have posted and stated no facts accept protested your disagreement with the scriptures shared with you, which are Gods Words not mine demonstrating your unbelief in what Gods Word says. So your argument is with God not me.Whether you believe me or not is unimportant. The facts are on my side.
So what scripture did you actually post here that supports anything you have said? Nothing. For me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them. You post you and then post scripture that has nothing to do with any claims you make. Please forgive me but this is the reason why I do not believe you. You post you arguing against the scriptures which are Gods Word that we are to believe and follow. (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29; John 10:26-27; John 3:36; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23)Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, [he is] a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and [is] as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth [that which is] not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay! Habakkuk 2:4-6 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:17 communion wine: For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 1 Corinthians 11:26 As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.2 Corinthians 11:10
The text of Habakukk 2:46 of is a fact. What you think "God's Word" is isn't relevant.Well that is not true. You have posted and stated no facts
So that is a no then. You posted no scripture that supports anything you have said or claim here. For me, all scripture is the standard of what is true and what is not true. Lets be honest please, Habakkuk 2:4-6 says "4, Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. 5, Yes also, because he transgresses by wine, he is a proud man, neither keeps at home, who enlarges his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathers to him all nations, and heaps to him all people: 6, Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increases that which is not his! how long? and to him that lades himself with thick clay!" How does this scripture or any of the other scripture support anything you have posted here? It doesn't. As posted earlier, you post you and then post random scripture that have nothing to do with any claims you make. Again, please forgive me but this is the reason why I do not believe you. You post you arguing against the scriptures which are Gods Word that we are to believe and follow. (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29; John 10:26-27; John 3:36; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23)The text of Habakukk 2:46 of is a fact. What you think "God's Word" is isn't relevant.
Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit.So that is a no then.
Well that is not true. You are deflecting. I have addressed everything you have said while you on the other hand are unable to respond to the questions asked of you to prove your claims here and elsewhere. Does that not concern you? It should.Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
It's true because facts are things that can be verified by the public, as is the case for well known texts like the Bible.Well that is not true.
You are a funny one. What facts did you provide despite me asking you many times now? None.It's true because facts are things that can be verified by the public, as is the case for well known texts like the Bible.
You're in denial. It goes back to the disconnection from reality that circular reasoning brings.You are a funny one.
Nonsense. My denial is only against your words that disagree with Gods Word (scripture). I asked you for evidence for your claims many time now that Paul is a false teacher and you have provided nothing. Let me ask you again, what facts did you provide despite me asking you many times now that proves the writings of Paul in the new testament are not Gods Word? None. I posted earlier, does this not worry you? It should because it proves what you post is not true and that you are deflecting and the only circular reasoning being made here are your claims you are making about the writings of Paul in the new testament scriptures because you are making statements and claims you are unable to prove and never proven here.You're in denial. It goes back to the disconnection from reality that circular reasoning brings.
Like I said before, your scripture is simply doctrine that you like. How would you refute the assertion that the Quran is scripture?Nonsense. My denial is only against your words that disagree with Gods Word (scripture).
Your response here..Nonsense. My denial is only against your words that disagree with Gods Word (scripture). I asked you for evidence for your claims many time now that Paul is a false teacher and you have provided nothing. Let me ask you again, what facts did you provide despite me asking you many times now that proves the writings of Paul in the new testament are not Gods Word? None. I posted earlier, does this not worry you? It should because it proves what you post is not true and that you are deflecting and the only circular reasoning being made here are your claims you are making about the writings of Paul in the new testament scriptures because you are making statements and claims you are unable to prove and never proven here.
Actually no. We are to believe and follow all scripture not some of it like you are trying to teach. Scripture is Gods Word, that is inspired and God breathed by Gods Spirit and a free gift for all mankind (2 Timothy 3:16). So I guess that is a no again. You have no response to the post you are quoting from again that is asking you for proof to your earlier claims. Its ok this only proves what I have been saying to you all along so we will agree to disagree. It is very easy to refute Islam. This religion claims their prophet Mohammad has lineage to Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael. The problem is for Islam is that God never made His covenant promise through Ishmael but through Abraham, Sarah and Isaac. This is the true lineage of Gods covenant promise with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who wrestled with God for His sin and was an overcomer with God who named Jacob Israel who had 12 sons (12 tribes of Israel). This is the birth of Israel who was born in the flesh of the seed of Abraham. This lead to Gods promise of the Messiah in Jesus and Gods new covenant promise of forgiveness of sins through faith in Gods Christ and the birth of Gods true Israel no longer born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but born of the Spirit through faith in Gods Word. Islam is a false teaching because God never made His covenant promise through Ishmael but through Abraham's true wife Sarah and Isaac. Islam does not come from the right lineage according to the Torah.Like I said before, your scripture is simply doctrine that you like. How would you refute the assertion that the Quran is scripture?
You don't get to define what scripture is.Actually no. We are to believe and follow all scripture not some of it like you are trying to teach. Scripture is Gods Word, that is inspired and God breathed by Gods Spirit and a free gift for all mankind (2 Timothy 3:16).
The primary issue here is your circular reasoning which is built on Pauline doctrine. If you can show that earlier claims are relevant then I'll address that.You have no response to the post you are quoting from again that is asking you for proof to your earlier claims.
There wasn't just a single covenant promise.It is very easy to refute Islam. This religion claims their prophet Mohammad has lineage to Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael. The problem is for Islam is that God never made His covenant promise through Ishmael but through Abraham, Sarah and Isaac.
Actually that is not true at all. We all have to decide what is Gods Word to know God and His Word. Our salvation depends on it (John 3:36; Ephesians 2:8-9; compare Romans 10:17 and John 17:17). All I did is tell you what Gods Word defines as scripture in (2 Timothy 3:16). All you did is tell me you do not believe God and His Word.You don't get to define what scripture is.
We already demonstrated in previous posts that you are deflecting here and that it is your problem is circular reasoning. You make statements and claims that scripture from the new testament written by Paul is not scriptures but when asked to prove these claims you are unable to do so. This is evidence that you are the one that has problems with circular reasoning.The primary issue here is your circular reasoning which is built on Pauline doctrine. If you can show that earlier claims are relevant then I'll address that.
No one said there was only a single covenant promise. If no one said there was a single covenant promise. If I have never said to you that there is a single covenant promise or that I believe that there was a single covenant promise why pretend that I did and this is what I believe. If you are not sure about what I believe why not just ask rather than make assumptions and write posts no one is talking about?There wasn't just a single covenant promise. In the same day YHWH made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites. Genesis 15:18-21
Where does it say in the bible that scripture is defined by covenant? It doesn't. You are making that up. Think your argument through. Are you now saying that all the writings of the prophets, Jesus and the Apostles and most of the bible are not scripture? This alone should tell you what you believe is unbiblical and should be a warning to you. According to the torah the Hebrew or Aramaic meaning of scriptures (Danial 10:21) H3791. kethab; כְּתָב; means something written with devine authority. In the Greek, the word scirpture G1124; γραφή (e.g. John 7:38) means, holy writing and further defined in 2 Timothy 3:16 where it is wrtitten that all scripture is given by divine inspiration through Gods Spirit to be given to Gods people to believe and obey or to tell us what is to come. We therefore cannot know God if we do not know His Word. It seems you do not know God or His Word (scripture) who you choose to not believe.If scripture is defined by covenant then the basis of your position is untenable because of Paul's slander of Moses, who was instrumental is bringing the covenant of Mt Sinai to the twelve tribes.
Random scripture again that does not support anything you have said here.And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2 Corinthians 3:13
It's true because defining something is not the same thing as interpreting something that already exists.Actually that is not true at all.
Your post makes absolutely no sense now. It was you that made the claim earlier that scripture is defined by covenant. That is what you said not me. Where does it say in the bible that scripture is defined by covenant? It doesn't. You are making that up.It's true because defining something is not the same thing as interpreting something that already exists.
If you can't cope with the fact that definitions and interpretations are different things then I can't help you.Your post makes absolutely no sense now.