Why are there still Monkeys?

[idav]

Do natural selection cause things to evolve or things first evolve then naturally selected ?

What causes evolution ?

isn't it random mutation first then natural selection next or it is natural selection first and random mutation next ?

Did we come to existence by chance or by design ?

That isn't a false dichotomy but it is a fact. it'll break down to 2 choices,by plan or by chance.

Something set in motion from the beginning would appear just as atheistic determinism. What doesnt make sense to me is design being fundamental, nor does just some random event just occuring with no catalyst so it must be a combination of the two. That is how the tao is described and I tend to agree. Purposeful action with no thought, god doesnt need thought, mind is a human issue.

 

[ruffen]

Do natural selection cause things to evolve or things first evolve then naturally selected ?

What causes evolution ?

isn't it random mutation first then natural selection next or it is natural selection first and random mutation next ?

Did we come to existence by chance or by design ?

That isn't a false dichotomy but it is a fact. it'll break down to 2 choices,by plan or by chance.

Mutations are random yes, but those with advantageous mutations have a (slightly) better chance of passing on their genes, and therefore these mutated genes will have a better chance of spreading within the species than disadvantageous genes. So the natural selection of which genes spread more and which spread less is not random.

So which traits and properties that arise and are kept, and therefore which direction evolution takes, is not random, because those that cause a better chance of producing offspring, have better chance of being "kept" in the species, which over vast time can then evolve into something that the "original" species could not make offspring with, so it's a different species. Evolution tends to cause populations to become better adapted to their environment, but perfection is never reached because environments change. But which genes thrive and which genes don't, is not random.

Evolution has no plan of which direction to take, it just happens. But the direction evolution takes within a population is not designed or planned.

Therefore, evolution is not random, and evolution is not guided. I believed just about everyone in the educated world knew this by now.

 

[johnhanks]

Do natural selection cause things to evolve or things first evolve then naturally selected ?

Natural selection is (in most cases) part of the process.

What causes evolution ?

Evolution is the inevitable result of generations recombining imperfectly replicated genomes in a constantly changing environment.

 

[Mycroft]

What causes evolution ?

So you admit to have little or no understanding of evolution? And in such a case, is it really appropriate to argue against something of which you have no understanding of?

 

[FearGod]

So you admit to have little or no understanding of evolution? And in such a case, is it really appropriate to argue against something of which you have no understanding of?

I ain't stupid enough to accept it yet.

I know exactly what evolution is but it doesn't make any sense to me that randomness is a part of it.

Without random mutations evolution can never be achieved,so randomness is a must and that IMO is a stupid thing to believe in.

Sharing genes with all living animals isn't an evidence that the process wasn't planned for by a super deity.

The quran mentioned that God eradicated the previous creations and brought the new ones to existence and that is enough evidence for me.

Your Lord is Free of all wants; (He is) the Lord of Mercy. If He wants, He can wipe you out, and have another people _ whomever He wants _ succeed you, just as He raised you from the genes of a different nation.(6:133)

 

[fantome profane]

Lol are you still mad that I shut you down in the mind/body thread?

What?

 

[Aman777]

1. There was a Bolivian man just last year who has a birth certificate showing that he was born in 1890. I do check my statistics and again, you're wrong.

Dear ScuzManiac, Sure there was. You just forgot to post the evidence. Right? We will give you that one. Score is 1-0 in favor of Scuz.

2. It DOES NOT say that in Genesis 6:3. That is merely your interpretation of it which is fine. Either way, it is wrong as 13% of 900 is 117. There are quite a few people on the planet today that are older than that and there have been even more that have lived longer than that WITH legal documentation. I don't know how things work in India but we've been keeping birth and death certificates (as well as marriage licenses, legal records, etc) for a VERY long time in other parts of the world. So, yeah. You're 100% wrong there buddy.

Better check your math since you must divide 120 by 900 to get 0.i33333333333 or 13% of 900. I forgot to give you the 3333333333. Got to give the LORD that one, since you are still asking us to believe your UnSupported Opinion. Score is 1-1.

3. Scripture is not support. It's a book. Charlie and The Chocolate Factory will support your arguments just as much as The Bible does. Why? Because you spit poop out of your mouth and expect people to listen to you when you can't even cite verses correctly. Learn your Bible before you preach it.

Oh no, the mark of of a real loser shows up. Spitting poop out of your mouth and expecting people to listen to you and improperly citing verses correctly, according to ScuzManiac, is a really good example of Ad-hominem, and name calling, and violating the rules which this fine upstanding Board has established and which Scuz promised to keep when he arrived here. Sorry Scuz, but you lose AGAIN. I just hope someone doesn't report you. Score is 2-1 in favor of the Lord.

4. What do you mean ON Adam's world? Don't come on here and try to undermine my intelligence when you can't even write with proper grammar.

Oh no. I'm speaking to someone who doesn't know that God made at least 3 Universes within the Multiverse we live in today. Can someone help him out? You'll have to start from the beginning. He doesn't even know about the first world being totally and completely dissolved in the Flood. Sorry Scuz but the score is now 3-1 against you making it mathmatically impossible for us to accept your ideas as True.

5. You believe in talking snakes and contradictions. Game, set, match.

Every Politician I've ever met is a "talking Snake", and Republicans are the worst. They will stand and look you straight right in the eye and contradict the Truth, just like Evols do, all the day long. You are correct, Game, set, match, with a score of 4-1 in favor of the LORD. Sorry Scuz but Thanks for playing. It let's us see you in your true light. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[ScuzManiac]

Dear ScuzManiac, Sure there was. You just forgot to post the evidence. Right? We will give you that one. Score is 1-0 in favor of Scuz.



Better check your math since you must divide 120 by 900 to get 0.i33333333333 or 13% of 900. I forgot to give you the 3333333333. Got to give the LORD that one, since you are still asking us to believe your UnSupported Opinion. Score is 1-1.



Oh no, the mark of of a real loser shows up. Spitting poop out of your mouth and expecting people to listen to you and improperly citing verses correctly, according to ScuzManiac, is a really good example of Ad-hominem, and name calling, and violating the rules which this fine upstanding Board has established and which Scuz promised to keep when he arrived here. Sorry Scuz, but you lose AGAIN. I just hope someone doesn't report you. Score is 2-1 in favor of the Lord.



Oh no. I'm speaking to someone who doesn't know that God made at least 3 Universes within the Multiverse we live in today. Can someone help him out? You'll have to start from the beginning. He doesn't even know about the first world being totally and completely dissolved in the Flood. Sorry Scuz but the score is now 3-1 against you making it mathmatically impossible for us to accept your ideas as True.



Every Politician I've ever met is a "talking Snake", and Republicans are the worst. They will stand and look you straight right in the eye and contradict the Truth, just like Evols do, all the day long. You are correct, Game, set, match, with a score of 4-1 in favor of the LORD. Sorry Scuz but Thanks for playing. It let's us see you in your true light. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

1. Evidence? What's wrong? You can't do your own research and check your statistics just like you asked me to do? Don't take my word for it. Do some research for once.

2. Name calling? Kind of like you do in every thread when someone doesn't agree with you and you call them losers. Who cares?

3. You can't even spell mathematically much less make a valid argument. And how in the world would I know that God created more than one universe? Oh, that's right. I should have read it in The Bible. What amazing evidence you have! Anyone care to back this gentleman up on this? Didn't think so.

4. What politicians have you met? I would love to know their names.

5. Just a side note. You officially made yourself look like a fool when you told me to check my math. 13% of 900 is 117. And here's how you get it...

900 x .13 = 117

You are officially an uneducated, third world moron in my book.

And I don't care who reports it. Stay single and keep scoping out your dating sites Aman777. Maybe once you hit your 30s, you'll wake up.

 

[idav]

I ain't stupid enough to accept it yet.

I know exactly what evolution is but it doesn't make any sense to me that randomness is a part of it.

Yes so you dont understand, that doesn't make it stupid.

You can believe if you want, that god designed from the beginning, every mate that every species picked, and god chooses which sperm gets to fertilize the egg out of a billion potentials. Random selection is part of the baby making process and the choosing of mates. We guide ourselves to make our choices. Unless god is going to control every hair that grows on our head.

 

[idav]

Sharing genes with all living animals isn't an evidence that the process wasn't planned for by a super deity.

It isnt evidence for planned or random evolution. It is evidence that all species come from a common ancestor, a common dna strand. All living creatures hold the dna evidence in them.

 

[FearGod]

Yes so you dont understand, that doesn't make it stupid.

You can believe if you want, that god designed from the beginning, every mate that every species picked, and god chooses which sperm gets to fertilize the egg out of a billion potentials. Random selection is part of the baby making process and the choosing of mates. We guide ourselves to make our choices. Unless god is going to control every hair that grows on our head.

I understand that you don't understand what i do understand.

Sperm and egg isn't you, at day 40 the soul interconnect with the fetus to progress to human being, the reason for that great number of sperms is to have better chances for one to reach the egg, so it isn't a random thing but a planned thing, as you know less account number of sperms will reduce the chances for fertilization and hence treatment is needed to elevate the sperm number if اit happened to be low.

I believe in God and not in nonsense.

 

[idav]

I understand that you don't understand what i do understand.

Sperm and egg isn't you, at day 40 the soul interconnect with the fetus to progress to human being, the reason for that great number of sperms is to have better chances for one to reach the egg, so it isn't a random thing but a planned thing, as you know less account number of sperms will reduce the chances for fertilization and hence treatment is needed to elevate the sperm number if اit happened to be low.

I believe in God and not in nonsense.

Apparently the point just flew right over your head.

 

[McBell]

The question which has no assertive scientific answer is whether those species were a work of design or a work of randomness.

The question you posit is nothing more than a meaningless false dichotomy.

 

[McBell]

Sperm and egg isn't you, at day 40 the soul interconnect with the fetus to progress to human being,

Define soul.
Then show it actually exists.
Then show how you know not only that it enters the fetus, but also when it enters the fetus.

otherwise all this "soul" talk is nothing more than empty claims.

the reason for that great number of sperms is to have better chances for one to reach the egg, so it isn't a random thing but a planned thing,

Bull pucky.
If it was a planned thing there would not be a need for all the extra sperm.

as you know less account number of sperms will reduce the chances for fertilization and hence treatment is needed to elevate the sperm number if اit happened to be low.

Which would not be required if it is planned like you claim.

I believe in God and not in nonsense.

Yet the above quoted post definitely indicates you directly contradict yourself here...

 

[ruffen]

Without random mutations evolution can never be achieved,so randomness is a must and that IMO is a stupid thing to believe in.

If there is no randomness in the DNA in offspring, why can a couple have 10 children which are not all identical?

 

[FearGod]

The question you posit is nothing more than a meaningless false dichotomy.

I have already answered it, it is a fact and not a false dichotomy.
creation and evolution is either a random process or a planned process.

 

[Mycroft]

I understand that you don't understand what i do understand.

How very self-aggrandizing.

Sperm and egg isn't you, at day 40 the soul interconnect with the fetus to progress to human being, the reason for that great number of sperms is to have better chances for one to reach the egg, so it isn't a random thing but a planned thing, as you know less account number of sperms will reduce the chances for fertilization and hence treatment is needed to elevate the sperm number if اit happened to be low.

Prove there is a soul, or this shall be dismissed as hocus pocus psuedoscience.

I believe in God and not in nonsense.

Oh the irony.

 

[FearGod]

Define soul.
Then show it actually exists.
Then show how you know not only that it enters the fetus, but also when it enters the fetus.

otherwise all this "soul" talk is nothing more than empty claims.

Show me how a chimp can evolve to a human being then i'll show you how the soul is different than the body and all other details that you wish to know.

Call it a straw man all you wish but the fact remains that you can't convert a chimp to a human in the lab or to separate the soul from the body in the lab.

Bull pucky.
If it was a planned thing there would not be a need for all the extra sperm.

But the fact is that the extra number of sperm is needed and hence that proves it was planned and not a random idea,otherwise if the number happened to be less than 20 million/ml then conceiving probabilities will be low.

If not planned then why not the sperm count not to be 5 million and then humans wouldn't exist,so again it is whether if things was planned and designed to exist which sounds logic or just happened with no plan and with no design and that IMO a stupid thing to believe in.

Which would not be required if it is planned like you claim.

It is required because it was planned to be so.

Yet the above quoted post definitely indicates you directly contradict yourself here...

I did never contradict myself.

 

[FearGod]

Prove there is a soul, or this shall be dismissed as hocus pocus psuedoscience.

Do you believe that this huge universe started from a tiny hot, dense state.
Should you see it practically happening in front of your eyes to believe in it ?

 

[Mycroft]

Do you believe that this huge universe started from a tiny hot, dense state.
Should you see it practically happening in front of your eyes to believe in it ?

Belief does not enter into the equation. Actually, we have observed it in a roundabout way in other celestial phenomena such as supernova. A single sun just a few tens of thousand meters wide becomes a million-light-year wide nebula. Even bigger, sometimes. We see the universe expanding outwardly like a single blob of ketchup turning into a pool.

We have not, however, in any way shape or form, observed anything that can even remotely be labelled 'soul'.