Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

Belief does not enter into the equation. Actually, we have observed it in a roundabout way in other celestial phenomena such as supernova. A single sun just a few tens of thousand meters wide becomes a million-light-year wide nebula. Even bigger, sometimes. We see the universe expanding outwardly like a single blob of ketchup turning into a pool.

We have not, however, in any way shape or form, observed anything that can even remotely be labelled 'soul'.

Did people observe this fact thousands of years ago.

ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were [once] one single entity, which We then parted asunder? – and [that] We made out of water every living thing? Will they not, then, [begin to] believe? (21:30)

AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it. (51:47)

So once the creator of this universe is telling me facts which is impossible for people living at that time to know about, then i have to be sure as well that the soul is a reality which we can't detect and that the afterlife have to come without doubt.

 

[ruffen]

If there is no randomness in the DNA in offspring, why can a couple have 10 children which are not all identical?

Still awaiting an answer on this one. Anyone who have seen siblings or dogs or kittens from the same litter, can easily see that while the offspring is similar to their parents (you can see that they are related), there are variations between individuals. Variations that can then be passed on to that individual's offspring, indicating that those variations are in the DNA.

And if one individual has such variations that increases its chance of creating offspring beyond the other individuals, then this trait may become passed on. Of course there will still be variations in later generations, and not all individuals will have this trait, but those again will have less chance of creating offspring.

So, if there is no randomness, why can a couple have a number of individuals that are different?

 

[Mycroft]

Did people observe this fact thousands of years ago.

ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were [once] one single entity, which We then parted asunder? – and [that] We made out of water every living thing? Will they not, then, [begin to] believe? (21:30)

AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it. (51:47)

So once the creator of this universe is telling me facts which is impossible for people living at that time to know about, then i have to be sure as well that the soul is a reality which we can't detect and that the afterlife have to come without doubt.

I think you're just imaginatively trying to fit those statements into the context of the big bang.

 

[idav]

But the fact is that the extra number of sperm is needed and hence that proves it was planned and not a random idea,otherwise if the number happened to be less than 20 million/ml then conceiving probabilities will be low.

If not planned then why not the sperm count not to be 5 million and then humans wouldn't exist,so again it is whether if things was planned and designed to exist which sounds logic or just happened with no plan and with no design and that IMO a stupid thing to believe in.

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Oh my. You start talking millions and then conceiving probabilities. Thats called random, like the numbers in a lottery. You ever roll dice?

 

[McBell]

I have already answered it, it is a fact and not a false dichotomy.
creation and evolution is either a random process or a planned process.

It is in fact a false dichotomy.
One which you re trying to use as a strawman.

Your denial doe snot change the fact.
Nice try though.

 

[McBell]

Show me how a chimp can evolve to a human being then i'll show you how the soul is different than the body and all other details that you wish to know.

Call it a straw man all you wish but the fact remains that you can't convert a chimp to a human in the lab or to separate the soul from the body in the lab.

But the fact is that the extra number of sperm is needed and hence that proves it was planned and not a random idea,otherwise if the number happened to be less than 20 million/ml then conceiving probabilities will be low.

If not planned then why not the sperm count not to be 5 million and then humans wouldn't exist,so again it is whether if things was planned and designed to exist which sounds logic or just happened with no plan and with no design and that IMO a stupid thing to believe in.

It is required because it was planned to be so.

I did never contradict myself.

Now you are merely chasing your own tail.

 

[FearGod]

Oh my. You start talking millions and then conceiving probabilities. Thats called random, like the numbers in a lottery. You ever roll dice?

Yes it is a planned randomness, was the number needed for conceiving fixed by nature and chance or that number of sperms was planned to be in millions and not in tens or hundreds or even thousands.

 

[Thief]

Oh my. You start talking millions and then conceiving probabilities. Thats called random, like the numbers in a lottery. You ever roll dice?

Saw a demo about rolling dice.

Draw a triangle...random size and shape.
Choose a point inside the boundry....at random.
Number the corners one through six....at random.

Roll one of the cubes.

Half way between the point chosen and the corner noted on the cube....mark the point of measure.

Continue till you can't stand it.

A pattern will develop inside the triangle.
It will be layers of triangles proportionate to the original.

Random events are now a matter of science called Chaos.

 

[FearGod]

Now you are merely chasing your own tail.

Explain why ?

 

[Koldo]

But the fact is that the extra number of sperm is needed and hence that proves it was planned and not a random idea,otherwise if the number happened to be less than 20 million/ml then conceiving probabilities will be low.

If not planned then why not the sperm count not to be 5 million and then humans wouldn't exist,so again it is whether if things was planned and designed to exist which sounds logic or just happened with no plan and with no design and that IMO a stupid thing to believe in.

What happens if an individual is unable to have children? He won't pass his genes to the next generation. Having enough sperms to fecundate ovums was essential for reproduction even before humans existed. We just inherited this trait.

 

[idav]

Yes it is a planned randomness.

So its both then and not one or the other? So you created a false dichotomy.

 

[FearGod]

Still awaiting an answer on this one. Anyone who have seen siblings or dogs or kittens from the same litter, can easily see that while the offspring is similar to their parents (you can see that they are related), there are variations between individuals. Variations that can then be passed on to that individual's offspring, indicating that those variations are in the DNA.

And if one individual has such variations that increases its chance of creating offspring beyond the other individuals, then this trait may become passed on. Of course there will still be variations in later generations, and not all individuals will have this trait, but those again will have less chance of creating offspring.

So, if there is no randomness, why can a couple have a number of individuals that are different?

I can't understand your point.

Do you want God to create us as to be completely identical.

The same height, the same face, the same sound, the same hair ...etc.

What is your point ?

 

[FearGod]

So its both then and not one or the other? So you created a false dichotomy.

I think you have a hard time to understand what i had said.

 

[idav]

Yes it is a planned randomness, was the number needed for conceiving fixed by nature and chance or that number of sperms was planned to be in millions and not in tens or hundreds or even thousands.

Is your mate that you choose planned out as well or does god force that on people? There is freedom that allows for random occurences unless you think god is controlling the flow of every atom and molecule.

 

[FearGod]

What happens if an individual is unable to have children? He won't pass his genes to the next generation. Having enough sperms to fecundate ovums was essential for reproduction even before humans existed. We just inherited this trait.

Yes that is your option of natural selection which needs no prior plan and no prior design which i think of it as a stupid idea.

 

[Koldo]

Yes that is your option of natural selection which needs no prior plan and no prior design which i think of it as a stupid idea.

Why do you think it is stupid? What is stupid about it?

 

[Revoltingest]

They just won't die...

 

[McBell]

Yes that is your option of natural selection which needs no prior plan and no prior design which i think of it as a stupid idea.

You should pay better attention to and heed your signature....

 

[FearGod]

Is your mate that you choose planned out as well or does god force that on people? There is freedom that allows for random occurences unless you think god is controlling the flow of every atom and molecule.

I didn't claim this.

 

[FearGod]

Why do you think it is stupid? What is stupid about it?

Because in science, we think, we plan, we observe, we measure, we design, we use trial and error ..etc.

What is the science of natural selection other than method of stupidity.