Why aren’t we learning?

[Link]

they believe their truth is "The Truth". And that truth, they believe, came from God.

I don't believe so. I believe any human who truly believes in something, does so when they know and they can only know with proof. The other way is deceive oneself about knowledge and claims because of ego or bias reasons.

Truthfulness is needed for our beliefs to be based on proof. And if we don't bring proof, we aren't truthful.

 

[CG Didymus]

This is making me think hard. If this is true, then there is no need of religion.

Well, I think some people do believe that we'd be better off without it. But I'm sure your beliefs have been important in making you into the man you are today.

Unfortunately, fighting others over beliefs has been part of many religions. And I can see why. Each believes their religion is true and the other one not so true, or even completely false.

And that is one thing that I hope that the Baha'is are right about... that we must put aside our religious differences and learn to live in peace... respecting each other's beliefs.

But that's so easy to say. How can we do it when so many of us have contradictory beliefs?

 

[Link]

Well, I think some people do believe that we'd be better off without it. But I'm sure your beliefs have been important in making you into the man you are today.

Unfortunately, fighting others over beliefs has been part of many religions. And I can see why. Each believes their religion is true and the other one not so true, or even completely false.

And that is one thing that I hope that the Baha'is are right about... that we must put aside our religious differences and learn to live in peace... respecting each other's beliefs.

But that's so easy to say. How can we do it when so many of us have contradictory beliefs?

You should loop up realism. I think Quran takes the stance of realism. It believes it's a true stance as far humans and politics go. And because of that, the unity of mankind won't happen till victory of truth happens and the world government is lead by the Mahdi (a), Jesus (a) and other chosen ones coming back like Enoch (Idris) (a) and Elijah (Elyas) (a).

 

[Spice]

This is making me think hard. If this is true, then there is no need of religion.

Think of it as there being only one song, but sang in many keys and performed in various arrangements. If appreciated for the music, and the message of the lyrics, they're all beautiful and touch the hearts of the listeners.

 

[Link]

Think of it as there being only one song, but sang in many keys and performed in various arrangements. If appreciated for the music, and the message of the lyrics, they're all beautiful and touch the hearts of the listeners.

I'd rather not think of it that way. To me, I rather think of it God does updates when needed. Especially when things have been corrupted, do we need an update.

 

[wellwisher]

Humanity has come a long way scientifically. We are able to reach for the stars and communicate instantly over thousands of miles.

Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.

Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.

Why has humanity failed to progress socially and spiritually but only materially?

One of the biggest problems, sort of started at the end of the last century and last millennium, and is called the internet; Window 98.The Internet has many useful features, but on the negative side, is separates people from being with each other, in person, so when people do come together it is more whiny and/or people are self absorbed. A snowflake without the internet would never know all the things that can bother them.

The 1980's was the last clean decade before personal computers and before the internet started to spread beyond the universities. People had more contact with other real people, and your activities involved being around actual people, instead of a computer image or avatar. This lack of human contact has dehumanized people. While the anonymity, that the internet creates, has created a false sense of reality, since how do you tell fake from real, since people believe that they wish to believe, based on anonymous fantasy.

This is also an addiction element, with few people able to leave the phone, home. Rather than figure things out for yourself and use your brain, now you ask Siri or call someone and they tell you. The critical thinking brain is atrophying.

I remember growing up and going for a family Sunday drive. If we got lost, my mother and other mothers would say pull over and ask for directions My father and other fathers, would keep going in circles, trying to figure it out. In a figurative sense there are no fathers or people who like puzzles and like to figure it out. Now there are only mothers; call someone for even tiny things.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't believe so. I believe any human who truly believes in something, does so when they know and they can only know with proof. The other way is deceive oneself about knowledge and claims because of ego or bias reasons.

Truthfulness is needed for our beliefs to be based on proof. And if we don't bring proof, we aren't truthful.

I'm sure this is just a semantical thing, but I use the words in reverse. Knowing is what happens when a fact can be proven. Belief is when you accept something as true despite insufficient evidence.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Humanity has come a long way scientifically. We are able to reach for the stars and communicate instantly over thousands of miles.

Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.

Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.

Why has humanity failed to progress socially and spiritually but only materially?

Actually, humanity has progressed considerably both socially and spiritually. The problem is that societies around the world have split into two (as predicted by the Christ in Matthew 25, 31-46) One side has progressed while the other side has regressed (at least recently).

Since the part that has regressed is much louder, it merely appears that humanity as a whole has either remained static or has regressed a bit. However, this is not true. As Steven Pinker has documented, societies and humanity are much better now; Steven Pinker

 

[McBell]

Yes, Baha'u'llah died in 1892, but Baha'is believe that He is the CURRENT Manifestation of God since He was the last one who has come to earth.

I don't know. You'd have to ask them that question.
I do know that Christians believe that Jesus was the one and only Manifestation of God although most Christians believe that Jesus was God rather than a Manifestation of God.

Wait...
You make claims about manifestations but can not trace them backwards?

 

[Trailblazer]

Wait...
You make claims about manifestations but can not trace them backwards?

I have beliefs about Manifestations of God but I do not make any claims....
It is the Manifestations who made the claims and I believe their claims.

I don't know what you mean by "trace them backwards" ?

 

[McBell]

I don't know what you mean by "trace them backwards" ?

The claim is that there has always been a manifestation, right?
If so, then the manifestations should be able to be traced from now back to when they started, right?

 

[Trailblazer]

The claim is that there has always been a manifestation, right?
If so, then the manifestations should be able to be traced from now back to when they started, right?

Baha'u'llah wrote that Prophets have been sent to man ever since man existed and some were sent long before the art of writing was developed, so we have no record of them.

There is no definitive list of Manifestations of God, but Baháʼu'lláh and ʻAbdu'l-Bahá referred to several personages as Manifestations; they include: Zoroaster, Krishna, Gautama Buddha, all the Jewish prophets, Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb, and ultimately Baháʼu'lláh.
Manifestation of God (Baháʼí Faith) - Wikipedia

The primary Manifestations of God can be seen on the chart below.

 

[McBell]

Baha'u'llah wrote that Prophets have been sent to man ever since man existed and some were sent long before the art of writing was developed, so we have no record of them.

There is no definitive list of Manifestations of God, but Baháʼu'lláh and ʻAbdu'l-Bahá referred to several personages as Manifestations; they include: Zoroaster, Krishna, Gautama Buddha, all the Jewish prophets, Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb, and ultimately Baháʼu'lláh.
Manifestation of God (Baháʼí Faith) - Wikipedia

The primary Manifestations of God can be seen on the chart below.

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Thank you.

This is exactly what I was asking about...

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.

We are being our natural selfish self (theists can say 'the way God created us' and 'God was pleased with what he had created'). What and why should we learn anything new?

 

[Trailblazer]

We are being our natural selfish self (theists can say 'the way God created us' and 'God was pleased with what he had created'). What and why should we learn anything new?

Yes, according to the Bible, God was pleased with what He had created, but man was like a blank slate after he was created so man did not know anything. Mankind had to learn what we now know over the course of time.

 

[Link]

I'm sure this is just a semantical thing, but I use the words in reverse. Knowing is what happens when a fact can be proven. Belief is when you accept something as true despite insufficient evidence.

In Quran, Pharaoh knew for certain signs of Moses (a) proved his case. It says he was sure. Yet despite this knowledge, he didn't have faith or believe as in accept the evidence.

So you can know something but not believe in it per Quran.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Humanity has come a long way scientifically. We are able to reach for the stars and communicate instantly over thousands of miles.
Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.
Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.
Why has humanity failed to progress socially and spiritually but only materially?

The fleshly man only sees the material, the spiritual man sees beyond the material.
Just as junk science is bad so is bad religion:
Bad religion backs wars ( during world wars religion on both sides backed the wars )
False clergy even used the pulpit as a recruiting station for the political (Not for Jesus) so that parents would sacrifice their sons on the Altar of War as if that is the same thing as the Altar of God which it is not.
Without applying what Jesus taught there can be no real peace just MANY people proving false to Jesus - Matthew 7:21-23

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, according to the Bible, God was pleased with what He had created, but man was like a blank slate after he was created so man did not know anything. Mankind had to learn what we now know over the course of time.

No 'blank slate' according to Genesis 2:17 but God educated Adam
God even had Adam choose to name the animals - Genesis - 2:20

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In Quran, Pharaoh knew for certain signs of Moses (a) proved his case. It says he was sure. Yet despite this knowledge, he didn't have faith or believe as in accept the evidence.

So you can know something but not believe in it per Quran.

Since I'm not a Muslim, I'm not really interested in answering a question from the POV of the Quran. I gave what the two words mean to me, and in my understanding, knowing is not believing an believing is not knowing.

 

[Trailblazer]

No 'blank slate' according to Genesis 2:17 but God educated Adam
God even had Adam choose to name the animals - Genesis - 2:20

I do not interpret Genesis literally, so I don't believe the Garden of Eden was an actual place that existed with an Adam and Eve.

I believe these stories were allegories used to convey spiritual truths.