firedragon
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Well. Maybe you are right.I was just pointing out the need for religions to work harder for world peace. I think they can have a very great influence on peace if they come together.
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Well. Maybe you are right.I was just pointing out the need for religions to work harder for world peace. I think they can have a very great influence on peace if they come together.
Sounds pretty good, doesn't it. When I first heard it 50 years ago, I thought so. Until I learned a little about the other religions.Thank you.
This is exactly what I was asking about...
In Israel Judaism, Christianity and Islam have come together in the physical sense of the word. It had an influence on peace in the sense of violently disturbing it in my view.I was just pointing out the need for religions to work harder for world peace. I think they can have a very great influence on peace if they come together.
Why not think of it as there being many songs, do you listen to a gospel record and something by Eminem and shrug it off as all one song? Or do you note the contradictions and differences and account them as more than one song?Think of it as there being only one song
Try to tell that to a Christian.To me, I rather think of it God does updates when needed. Especially when things have been corrupted, do we need an update.
Religions do not work for peace. Abrahmic religions are engaged in brand wars. It is like Cocacola and Pepsi. Who is more successful in the market?I was just pointing out the need for religions to work harder for world peace. I think they can have a very great influence on peace if they come together.
Humanity has come a long way scientifically. We are able to reach for the stars and communicate instantly over thousands of miles.
Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.
Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.
Why has humanity failed to progress socially and spiritually but only materially?
Ah, but Baha'is believe that God keeps changing the social laws to fit the needs of the times. Like stoning people was the right thing to do in ancient times, but now God has eased up on things. Like with adultery, why stone them to death when you can have them pay a fine? That way we have a guaranteed income coming in.In Israel Judaism, Christianity and Islam have come together in the physical sense of the word. It had an influence on peace in the sense of violently disturbing it in my view.
If by coming together you simply mean merging then why not merge into Judaism for example. All religions could practice Jewish law or Muslim law or Christian law. No need for Baha'i law in that case as I see it.
Or we could all come together on laws based on avoidance of demonstrable harms as opposed to allegedly divine dictates in my view.
You're not alone in your thinking but I wonder why be on a religious forum instead of a non-religious forum _______I do not interpret Genesis literally, so I don't believe the Garden of Eden was an actual place that existed with an Adam and Eve.
I believe these stories were allegories used to convey spiritual truths.
Mankind's long history has proven religions do not work for peace ( world peace )Religions do not work for peace. Abrahmic religions are engaged in brand wars. It is like Cocacola and Pepsi. Who is more successful in the market?
Yes, in Scripture we find Jesus did Not depend on feelings but used logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures for his teachings.Emotions, imo. Folks allow emotion to override reason. We remain victims to our feelings.
Our feelings are our feedback system to what is good and bad. It worked well enough to get us here but not much beyond that.
As long as we depend on our feelings more than logic and reason I doubt we will be making much progress.
Since man's long history shows: man has dominated man to man's hurt, man's injury then man can't establish world peace. - Ecc. 8:9I was just pointing out the need for religions to work harder for world peace. I think they can have a very great influence on peace if they come together.
No, none of what you believe is the Bible truth. It is what you interpreted the Bible to mean.You're not alone in your thinking but I wonder why be on a religious forum instead of a non-religious forum _______
The spiritual truth (Bible truth) is what Adam lost for us Jesus regained for us
From paradisical Eden lost to a coming paradisical Earth regained because of Jesus
Everlasting life on Earth lost to everlasting eternal life on Earth regained with the coming 1000 year reign of Jesus over Earth
We have progressed significantly! There has never been a better time socially! Human rights are advancing. Equal rights are a thing. Men and women are equal. Slavery is significantly reduced. People eat better than the kings of old. We have clean water. We have modern plumbing. We’ve eliminated many diseases. The list goes on and on. So many people and the media would have you believe we live in terrible times. Truth is, things have never been better!Humanity has come a long way scientifically. We are able to reach for the stars and communicate instantly over thousands of miles.
Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.
Why aren’t we learning lessons from our past? We have billions of religious people but no peace.
Why has humanity failed to progress socially and spiritually but only materially?
It's kind of odd too, Baha'i say it is like a physician not being able to provide the same prescription for high blood pressure as for low blood pressure, but in this case the alleged "symptom" of homosexuality is the same so why the different treatment?Ah, but Baha'is believe that God keeps changing the social laws to fit the needs of the times. Like stoning people was the right thing to do in ancient times, but now God has eased up on things. Like with adultery, why stone them to death when you can have them pay a fine? That way we have a guaranteed income coming in.
This is because Abrahamic God does not know what he is doing, but just stumbles on. Face Jerusalem at one time, face Mecca at other times.This to my mind raises questions about why the law of stoning would have been applied in Moses time, abolished entirely in Jesus time, and then either reimposed in the time of Muhammad (or replaced by flogging) just to be replaced by a fine in the time of Baha'u'llah?
This to my mind raises questions about why the law of stoning would have been applied in Moses time, abolished entirely in Jesus time, and then either reimposed in the time of Muhammad (or replaced by flogging) just to be replaced by a fine in the time of Baha'u'llah?
Exactly. That's why I don't believe the Baha'is when they say that God had this thing called "progressive revelation." It's not progressive at all. It's all over the place. That's why I tell them that to me, it looks like religions evolve. Good ideas, things that work are kept. Old beliefs and practices that don't work, get dumped and replaced.This is because Abrahamic God does not know what he is doing, but just stumbles on. Face Jerusalem at one time, face Mecca at other times.
I can see you have given a lot of thought and an inquiring mind wants to know.No, none of what you believe is the Bible truth. It is what you interpreted the Bible to mean.
Jesus died for the sins of humanity, but Jesus never said that He died for any original sin of Adam and Eve committed in the Garden of Eden. That is a church doctrine, plain and simple.
A paradisical Earth like the Garden of Eden is not going to be regained. The Bible doesn't say that. That is only what you have been led to believe by a your interpretation of certain Bible verses, a doctrine which is taught by your church. I understand that you 'want' to live forever on Earth but wanting something is not going to make it happen.
There will never be everlasting life on Earth since our physical body is mortal this it will never be able to live forever on earth. That is what the Bible actually says (1 cor 15). What you believe is a doctrine of your church. All other Christians believe correctly, that they are going to heaven after they die, because that is what the Bible says.
1 Corinthians 15 New International Version
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[h]
Yet mankind has not advanced in the social or spiritual realms. Wars have plagued us for centuries and religions continue to conflict.
You present some very interesting points ^above^ but that does Not change today's spiritual and moral concerns.We have progressed significantly! There has never been a better time socially! Human rights are advancing. Equal rights are a thing. Men and women are equal. Slavery is significantly reduced. People eat better than the kings of old. We have clean water. We have modern plumbing. We’ve eliminated many diseases. The list goes on and on. So many people and the media would have you believe we live in terrible times. Truth is, things have never been better!